I really wasn´t expecting this one and even more surprising is that Intel is considering releasing discrete GPUs!... Now all we need is Nivida announcing that they are going to make their own x86 CPU...

Well, since Intel pays Nvidia for cross-licensing anyway, it looks like they want to use that license more effectively now. As I understand it, even if Nvidia stopped making any new products, just their patents alone would bring in hundreds of millions a year. Nvidia aren't going anywhere, let's be honest here.

So we can expect 384-core 5-6-TFLOPS GT5, 576-core 8-9-TFLOPS GT7 and 768-core 11-12-TFLOPS GT9? Or even more at 10nm?

H83:

Now all we need is Nivida announcing that they are going to make their own x86 CPU...

They got no license for x86. But they do have for ARM, so they can make desktop class ARM CPU and chipsets.

Turanis:

After blah blah : "On a final note, I have asked a lot of you in the last two years. You've always delivered. You've made me successful both personally and professionally, for which I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. I have these final requests from you as I leave: . Stay focused on the roadmap! . Deliver on your commitments! . Continue the culture of Passion, Persistence and Play! . Make AMD proud! . Make me proud! Yours, Raja" Now joins Intel,he is a traitor or a merc? 🙄

He is none of those. Being in a company is not a religion or being in a country vs the rest of the world... if i get better job (money and/or working condition) i might go to concurent company and i will still be happy if my ex co worker do great things in previous company.

kastriot:

So he failed at AMD now he runs to Intel knowing that there he has more space until he reaches his mental limits and then where he will go?

Yes, he is going to Intel because Intel needs him. After Intel where he will go? To India with his millions of $$$ from Intel 🙂:)

Good for him! Now we know why he left AMD. When you get to that level in big companies, you're officially in "The Club." Now all he has to do is keep jumping from company to company absorbing money along the way. Intel > AMD financially and this guy is on a money-making journey. I wish [most] anyone the same luck!

firstly for all the green team fanboys, Vega is not a failure of any sort. mind you i'm rocking two nvidia cards - 1070 and 1080ti so i like nvidia (obviously). Vega is a major success in the marketplace, in the industry, and now in Intel mcm's. the fact is all production had been sold out for months and is only now entering wide availability. the only place Vega hasn't been dominant in is the gaming sector (oh the irony) where is does very well, but in no way dominates. so now Raj is at Intel, where genius gets carte blanche (at least for six quarters) and failures are somebody else's fault. He should be just fine - as Intel's PR dept. will shield him from the crap just as much as working for the market leader will.

fantaskarsef:

I personally don't think Intel will try to tackle the gaming GPU market. I honestly don't see them trying to enter that market, I guess they will stick to dedicated cards for rendering, computing, and possibly systems that need many connectors like video walls and stuff. But you'll never know, I would like a third competitor in the dGPU market for gaming.

this isn't so much about gaming. this is about A.I. and autonomous cars where gpu's are dominant...and a growing market. Intel does not want to be left out of a Major new market...as there are far more cars sold every year than gpu's.

maybe he's a trojan horse, maybe he scales up a few positions and since he failed on vega he can now wreck intel's cpu line so ryzen 2 can finish it off 😛 on the other hand, this sure seems interesting, intel becoming amd in the sense that they can now make cpu and gpu, so we get a 3rd gpu maker, who knows, maybe qualcomm can join in too thanks to WoA maybe they release a 100w ARM cpu capable enough to compete with intels and amds at gaming

kastriot:

So he failed at AMD now he runs to Intel knowing that there he has more space until he reaches his mental limits and then where he will go?

I suspect the failure at RTG is more to due with funding than any one person. AMD over the last few years has had about 20% less the R&D budget than Nvidia and much of that I suspect went towards Zen. An easy indicator of that is the less you spend the less people you have the longer designes and fixes take ie. Vega went way over deadlines.

sykozis:

AMD needs to keep a close eye on any discrete chips that come from Koduri's new division at Intel....

Probably not really much AMD can do. Nobody outside AMD/Intel knows what Intel gets in cross licensing with AMD but it's logical to assume for the x86 patents, Intel wanted anything GPU related cross licensed. My hope is they work together to come up with the next gen GPU and use a common design. Intel spends more than 10x on R&D over AMD, around almost 3 Billion a quarter vs AMD's $250 million give or take some variance per quarter. What is sad is Intel could increase there total R&D budget by 3-5% for GPU development and they could easily be spending more than AMD does on GPU development.

Ultimately, Intel won his holy grail. After a dozen or so years of unsuccessful attempts to create a powerful GPU, they have managed to gain one of the few people in the world who can design such a GPU. Regarding Vega's failure. I have no idea how can you call a failure, a chip that working at 1.5GHz outperforms competition chips running at 2GHz? And only in the most primitive conditions. Game developers are beginning to move on to massive computing. The only significant progress in recent years in NV cards is the increasing clock speed. Recent AMD cards introduce some absolutely groundbreaking technologies that will soon be the basis for efficient use of the GPU. I'm confused by the narrow minds of gamers who cannot see anything but a few extra fps, mostly available in old titles based on outdated APIs. Anyway. I'm curious what they think in the AMD, about the RK transition to Intel. Is it a their failure or rather a positive option? Intel's entry into the GPU market will further undermine NV than AMD. Perhaps it will make it easier for AMD to break through such a mass destruction machine as NVDA marketing.

tunejunky:

this isn't so much about gaming. this is about A.I. and autonomous cars where gpu's are dominant...and a growing market. Intel does not want to be left out of a Major new market...as there are far more cars sold every year than gpu's.

this this and this 🙂 who the hell goes into well established market thats already adressed when new, much bigger emerging markets are still up for a grab

JamesSneed:

I suspect the failure at RTG is more to due with funding than any one person. AMD over the last few years has had about 20% less the R&D budget than Nvidia and much of that I suspect went towards Zen. An easy indicator of that is the less you spend the less people you have the longer designes and fixes take ie. Vega went way over deadlines. Probably not really much AMD can do. Nobody outside AMD/Intel knows what Intel gets in cross licensing with AMD but it's logical to assume for the x86 patents, Intel wanted anything GPU related cross licensed. My hope is they work together to come up with the next gen GPU and use a common design. Intel spends more than 10x on R&D over AMD, around almost 3 Billion a quarter vs AMD's $250 million give or take some variance per quarter. What is sad is Intel could increase there total R&D budget by 3-5% for GPU development and they could easily be spending more than AMD does on GPU development.

As I explained in the other thread. As part of the Cross-licensing agreement, Intel got "AMD64" aka the 86x64 instruction set that Intel refers to as "EM64T" or "Intel 64". At the time of the cross-licensing agreement, Intel had no known intentions of entering the discrete GPU market, however, any Patents relating to GPU development that are necessary to compete in the discrete GPU market, are required by law to be licensed under FRAND terms. So, whether Intel wanted them then or wants them now, both AMD and NVidia are required to license any and all "non-proprietary" patents they hold that are necessary to produce a discrete graphics processor.

Noisiv:

this this and this 🙂 who the hell goes into well established market thats already adressed when new, much bigger emerging markets are still up for a grab

Sometimes you have to enter a "well established market" to get into emerging markets.