Preview: AMD VEGA GPU Architecture
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negachampa
I think it is safe to say no matter what AMD comes up with Nvidia will have something better.
Calmmo
I hope you're wrong for the simple reason that one company dominating leads to anti consumer practices. Lack of competition has led to nvidia managing to turn the 300$ mid size chip to a 600-700$ "high end" product, and intel spends a decade selling quad cores as high end CPU's with minor improvements and no real progress being made (especially single thread performance) (and inflating prices nvidia style, tho less aggressively - relatively speaking). We need a good AMD on both GPU/CPU fronts, even if they dont manage to get the top ultimate enthusiast tier performance product out there, as long as they become relevant again and keep those 2 (interl/nvidia) honest from now on.
Mannerheim
only 0.00001% of people has afford to buy titan X. So its a fail in that.
Agonist
People said that when the Original Titan launched, GTX 780 as well.
Then 290x dropped. And lets not act like the Fury X didnt stay within reach of the 980ti and even beat Titan X at higher resolutions or non nvidia games at times before Vram limitations.
Besides these are non even finished retail samples and you are saying AMD is already dead.
Stormyandcold
If they sell this for around <£500 they'll be ok, that's assuming Nvidia doesn't come along and kill the party. However, if Nvidia cuts £100 off the price of GTX1080 when Vega releases, then, AMD would be in trouble.
For people with GTX1080 or better...nothing to see unfortunately.
Denial
There is more to it than just performance when it comes to a company "winning". The Fury X was far more expensive to develop and manufacture than the 980Ti (HBM/Watercooling). That's not to mention that the "within reach/beat" stuff you mention were vs stock. Nearly every single Ti I've seen can overclock to 1500 if not more. That's a 30% increase over the average base boost of a 980Ti.
And while Vega is doing a lot of great stuff architecturally - the end product doesn't appear to be worth the nearly year long wait. The Doom clip they shown looks about ~65fps average - that's only roughly 5 fps over what a FE 1080 gets. You can make the argument that the Vega drivers aren't finalized and engineering sample - I'll agree with that stuff - but then i'll make the argument that AMD's marketing team is dumb. Potential customers aren't going to do potential FPS projections based on FineWine™ tech - they are going to say "damn that's roughly the same as a 1080, might as well buy a 1080 now".
negachampa
Good Point. Not sure why AMD would be showing VEGA only being equivalent to a 1080. If VEGA is only as good as a 1080 which will have been a year old by the time VEGA is on the shelf we are all in for a big disappointment, depending on the price that is, but for enthusiasts who want the best looks like AMD will be coming up short.
Finders crossed that Zen will be able to compete with Intel. We need some sort of competition for Nvidia and Intel. This is just getting ridiculous.
Denial
They aren't shipping the Xavier SoC unit until Q3 2017. Pretty sure that chip he held up was a wood screw placeholder. Big Volta is shipping in Q3/Q4 too for the Oak Ridge Super Computer.
We won't be seeing any consumer Volta chips in 2017, I don't think and if we do it's going to be more towards Q4.
Loophole35
That one is likely Pascal based. These cars have been buzzing around for a bit.
Denial
The Q7 used the PX2 not Xavier:
Xavier isn't shipping until Q4 (I thought it was Q3 but I guess I remembered incorrectly) it was also announced last year so I'm not sure why so many people are bringing it up now.
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/09/28/xavier/
CPC_RedDawn
All this new tech inside the chip that touts, 2x efficiency, insane IPC improvements, incredible memory bandwidth..... yet in those screens its struggling to keep up with a GTX1080. We all know that Pascal is basically a supt-up version of Maxwell. Kinda like Maxwell on speed, hence why they still pretty much suck in DX12 Async Compute tasks.
This makes me mad, cause I love AMD's business philosophy of an open platform with OpenCL, Mantle (now Vulkun basically), TressFX, everything they do just seems to better the consumer but why should I have to support a company that simply can't deliver in the high end performance levels? I feel bad for not supporting them.
Don't get me wrong if they release VEGA10 and it beats my 1080 at 4K Ultra in most games but comes in at 30% less the price of a 1080 I shall 100% be on that and selling my 1080 to support them but they wont cause this is new tech, the yields will be low, and the price will be just as high as Nvidia's. And yes I totally agree with have Nvidia to thank for this.
Asgardi
Every time same song. AMD fails to deliver better product but "as long as its cheap enough and they will sell it with some*loss its ok". What they really need is a product that is actually so good that people are willing to pay*real price*to get one. Only*that can save the company that has been making loss for the past 10 years almost every quarter.
Rich_Guy
Yep, especially when it needed the boost of Vulkan to get it up to the 1080.
Redemption80
Vulkan doesn't give AMD a boost over an other low level api, Doom is just a very easy game to run.
I also thought Fury X was holding its own against 1070/80 in Doom.
Exactly, and i doubt AMD want to be known as the value brand.
If they bring out something better, then they should be allowed to price it higher, but alot of their consumers demand something cheaper.
The length of time really isn't helping them either, if they bring out something faster than a 1080 and cheaper, Nvidia can just go lower.
Great for the consumer as prices go down, great for Nvidia as they have already been able to sell at the highest margins and can now attract new customers, but bad for AMD who don't want a price war just yet as they need to claw back R&D costs and marketing costs before they even think about turning a profit on the hardware itself.
Rich_Guy
It does.
http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/fEdFvTP7yAScwDNvik5RC5-650-80.png
http://www.pcgamer.com/doom-benchmarks-return-vulkan-vs-opengl/2/
Under OpenGL the FuryX gets 119fps, under Vulkan, it gets 159.4fps, at 1080p, but you can see in all resolutions, under Vulkan, they get higher fps, so, Vulkan does boost AMDs peformance.
It also boosts Nvidias, but AMD need to be running it, to get near Nvidias non Vulkan performance/or better it, as look at the 980Ti under OpenGL, it gets 144fps, now thats worrying, considering the amount of games out there, that use Vulkan. :P
Lets see some OpenGL runs, and some games running using the majority, Dx11, or are they too scared as they'll get smashed. 😀
Redemption80
It doesn't boost it, just brings it up to where it should be in the same way DX12 does, and there are many other games/api's that AMD do well in.
Not that I believe it's under a 1080 in Doom, would barely make it faster than a Fury X.
Rich_Guy
Vulkans just their Mantle, they had to do that to get near Nvidias Dx11 performance/or better it, but then when Nvidia brought out that wonder Dx11 driver, which smashed even that, they ditched it.
If Vega needs to be running on Vulkan to get near the 1080, then id be worried. :P
isidore
Yeah, seeing how FuryX performs in DX12 and Vulkan games after so much time since release, i tend to believe Vega will knock it out of the park and will leave the competition in dust. In dx11 it will be slower, most likely, but who cares about that anymore.
Anyway people who hate will always hate and if Vega will perform roughly the same as the 1080 in games don't forget what time does to radeon gpu's. When i got my FuryX it scored lower than the gtx980ti in all games mostly, 1 year and a half later, it performs between 980ti and 1070. Talk about moneys worth in time.
isidore
Agree but it doesn't matter man. Vulkan and dx12 are the future so saying that Vulkan is just Mantle doesn't make any sense tbh 🙂.
OpenGL and DX11 will be relics in 1 year time.
Stormyandcold
Looking at the up-coming DX12 games list...I highly doubt it. I think 2yrs at least.
