Phones and Wi-Fi, according to scientists, can induce Alzheimer disease

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@Hilbert Hagedoorn Wrong place again...
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Hmm. If calcium buildup is helped by wifi and other emf phenomena, shouldn't they be countered by emf as well? Inverted polarity, different frequencies? Have fun escaping any of those deadly emf's while you're in civilization. Wifi, cellular networks, power lines under the boardwalk, overland power lines... so I guess we all get Alzheimers.
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If this is true then we will all get Alzheimer's because the alternative is going back to horse and buggy. To be honest, that sounds kind of nice.
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fantaskarsef:

Hmm. If calcium buildup is helped by wifi and other emf phenomena, shouldn't they be countered by emf as well? Inverted polarity, different frequencies? Have fun escaping any of those deadly emf's while you're in civilization. Wifi, cellular networks, power lines under the boardwalk, overland power lines... so I guess we all get Alzheimers.
Where am I ?!?!?!
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If a hypothesis like this gets sufficiently verified, it would certainly change the world. It would also be interesting to see whether Apple and other behemoths directly affected would fight against it, like the tobacco industry fought against the "tobacco causes cancer" revelation many decades ago. If nothing else, there would be major class action lawsuits in the USA.
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Spider4423:

Where am I ?!?!?!
Apparently at some location that gives you Alzheimers. And take my post with a big grain of salt because it's meant to be sarcastic. Especially the second line.
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What's the source of this? "According to a news release regarding the findings, the majority of experts think that Alzheimer's disease is caused by an abnormal accumulation of calcium in the brain." I'm not sure who this majority is, calcium dysregulation is a fairly recent hypothesis that has gained traction as a cause of symptoms, but I've never heard of anyone talk about 'Calcium Buildup' ever. Looks more like the author meant Amyloid Plaque buildup which is a key marker for the disease and is linked to calcium homeostasis dysregulation. (But i've been out of the neuroscience game for a while, things may have changed, although i don't see much reference to the keywords on pubmed) I'm going to assume this is unpublished data which is being used as a way to get lab grants and investment, which i can't blame the PI for because that's one of the best ways to get it done. Very interested to see how they've been testing this.
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gUNN1993:

What's the source of this? "According to a news release regarding the findings, the majority of experts think that Alzheimer's disease is caused by an abnormal accumulation of calcium in the brain." I'm not sure who this majority is, calcium dysregulation is a fairly recent hypothesis that has gained traction as a cause of symptoms, but I've never heard of anyone talk about 'Calcium Buildup' ever. Looks more like the author meant Amyloid Plaque buildup which is a key marker for the disease and is linked to calcium homeostasis dysregulation. (But i've been out of the neuroscience game for a while, things may have changed, although i don't see much reference to the keywords on pubmed) I'm going to assume this is unpublished data which is being used as a way to get lab grants and investment, which i can't blame the PI for because that's one of the best ways to get it done. Very interested to see how they've been testing this.
I've heard about that (calcium being evil and might be the cause), but I guess it's not for sure yet? Also, I've downloaded the paper, no time to read it yet, and I'm not a medical expert / worker. But I guess they're all about this:
Abstract: Electronically generated electromagnetic fields (EMFs), including those used in wireless communication such as cell phones, Wi-Fi and smart meters, are coherent, producing very high electric and magnetic forces, which act on the voltage sensor of voltage-gated calcium channels to produce increases in intracellular calcium [Ca2+]i. The calcium hypothesis of Alzheimer’s disease (AD) has shown that each of the important AD-specific and nonspecific causal elements is produced by excessive [Ca2+]i. [Ca2+]i acts in AD via excessive calcium signaling and the peroxynitrite/oxidative stress/inflammation pathway, which are each elevated by EMFs.An apparent vicious cycle in AD involves amyloid-beta protein (Aβ) and [Ca2+]i. Three types of epidemiology suggest EMF causation of AD, including early onset AD. Extensive animal model studies show that low intensity EMFs cause neurodegeneration, including AD, with AD animals having elevated levels of Aβ, amyloid precursor protein and BACE1. Rats exposed to pulsed EMFs every day are reported to develop universal or near universal very early onset neurodegeneration, including AD; these findings are superficially similar to humans with digital dementia. EMFs producing modest increases in [Ca2+]i can also produce protective, therapeutic effects. The therapeutic pathway and peroxynitrite pathway inhibit each other. A summary of 18 different findings is provided, which collectively provide powerful evidence for EMF causation of AD. The author is concerned that smarter, more highly pulsed “smart” wireless communication may cause widespread very, very early onset AD in human populations.
Also, sauce is available if you click yourself through the sauces given by OP.
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fantaskarsef:

I've heard about that (calcium being evil and might be the cause), but I guess it's not for sure yet? Also, I've downloaded the paper, no time to read it yet, and I'm not a medical expert / worker. But I guess they're all about this: Also, sauce is available if you click yourself through the sauces given by OP.
Oh lol I have never noticed that Source button before XD, Will have a read if it
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Spider4423:

Where am I ?!?!?!
Who are you again...?
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gUNN1993:

Oh lol I have never noticed that Source button before XD, Will have a read if it
The source in the source also has this story https://futurism.com/neoscope/coors-dream-ads lol. I dream about beer a lot too actually, normally when drunk. Hilbert, have you been down to one of those Amsterdam cafe's again for a smoke and a pancake?
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OK, after less than 10 seconds of digging ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Pall "Pall was professor of biochemistry and basic medical sciences at Washington State University (WSU) where, among other things, he researched and published on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. He retired from that position in 2008 since when he has researched on multiple chemical sensitivity and published papers on the effect of low intensity microwave frequency electromagnetic fields (MWV-EMF) on the human body.[1] He has been a critic of the expansion of 5G mobile phone networks and the use of wireless technology generally, believing the technology has negative consequences for human health" So he got old, got a bee in his bonnet and then blamed 5G for everything even though it really is just a pinprick at the moment. So he reverting back to ANY EMF, wifi, 4g, your microwave oven etc etc. And blames it on ... calcium build up. 😀 I'm prepared to take that risk just so I can have a better set of teeth. 😉 Indeed, my dear old mum has Osteoporosis so I am planning to take her out this afternoon for a picnic under a 5g mast whilst making her watch Gamers Nexus using ear phones. She'll probably say about Steve :- " That young man needs to cut his hair. It might get caught up in a 100cfm case fan " Or something.
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Andy Watson:

The source in the source also has this story https://futurism.com/neoscope/coors-dream-ads lol. I dream about beer a lot too actually, normally when drunk. Hilbert, have you been down to one of those Amsterdam cafe's again for a smoke and a pancake?
The source for the main story is the NIH, a US government site. The beer story is anecdotal. What exactly are you saying?
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Moonbogg:

If this is true then we will all get Alzheimer's because the alternative is going back to horse and buggy. To be honest, that sounds kind of nice.
Sure so when you are bleeding to death from cutting yourself on a handsaw cutting fire wood, it will take your doctor 3 hours to get to your house. Not to mention shoveling horse shit. https://media1.giphy.com/media/eIK0WaenjI9La/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47g9e8548itl3kngmpfhi0nl2qa2xg64fnxtatqcfy&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g I guess the people wearing tin foil hats ARE the sane ones.
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and here I was thinking it was my beer drinking causing all this Alzheimers when in fact it was that darn Wi-Fi Cool.
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So the article isn't actually new research its a review piece, honestly it is fairly interesting. However based on what he's written and the papers referenced, if he was 100% correct then we all have 100% got Alzheimer's right now. (Like literally the key paper is a study that gave rats AD like pathology in under 8 months using EM pulses, the author then claimed that's 21 years in rat years, which, i'm pretty sure that isn't how it works, so given that we've been living with various Gs for 20 years easily we all fucked right now) And his argument that things seen in rats are exact models for humans is based on the notoriously unreliable connection between living in high EMF areas and physiological effects (A lot of bad stuff correlates with living near high EMF levels) Definitely worth investigating though tbh
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rflair:

The source for the main story is the NIH, a US government site. The beer story is anecdotal. What exactly are you saying?
I'm saying that quoting non scientific sites rather than the original source is a bad starting point. That site posts scientific reviews, no matter how crank, that fits its world view. And ignores any other scientific reviews that does not. So it is filtering even before you get to any science. Is that a good starting point? That is my point. The beer story being anecdotal is bad in itself, this site has no compunction on sifting the wheat from the chaff. Or are you saying that is ok?
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gUNN1993:

So the article isn't actually new research its a review piece, honestly it is fairly interesting. However based on what he's written and the papers referenced, if he was 100% correct then we all have 100% got Alzheimer's right now. (Like literally the key paper is a study that gave rats AD like pathology in under 8 months using EM pulses, the author then claimed that's 21 years in rat years, which, i'm pretty sure that isn't how it works, so given that we've been living with various Gs for 20 years easily we all ****** right now) And his argument that things seen in rats are exact models for humans is based on the notoriously unreliable connection between living in high EMF areas and physiological effects (A lot of bad stuff correlates with living near high EMF levels) Definitely worth investigating though tbh
Why? The amount of EMF even over the last 5 years has been massive. But no massive increase in cancers etc. EMF builds up Calcium, calcium makes Dementia. That sentence alone shows that this is a crank. There simply is not enough evidence for the first or second to cause any issues with EMF. The link between the two is Will o the wisp I'm surprised people on here give it any credence. Need to put your rigorous science hats on !
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rflair:

The source for the main story is the NIH, a US government site.
Link please for this, the author seems to be not associated with it. He seems to be retired and hitting the NIH [youtube=fhcdnCbXB6s] That's just drivel .. going on about lower fertility. Maybe a Calcium block ! It's madness.

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