The longer we go down this road, the more I fear World War 3 will be fought by throwing patents at eachother.

The longer we go down this road, the more I fear World War 3 will be fought by throwing patents at eachother.

That seems pretty safe, I guess I wouldn't mind that.

Watch out for paper cuts though.

Serious question - how does a company like Samsung figure out that Nvidia infringes on such obscure patents like this? Color me ignorant, but these infringed designs don't seem like something you can obviously spot. Samsung, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with the manufacturing or design process of nvidia products. This isn't the first time something like this has come up, so I find it real suspicious that these companies are able to know about these infringements so easily, if at all.

Serious question - how does a company like Samsung figure out that Nvidia infringes on such obscure patents like this? Color me ignorant, but these infringed designs don't seem like something you can obviously spot. Samsung, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with the manufacturing or design process of nvidia products. This isn't the first time something like this has come up, so I find it real suspicious that these companies are able to know about these infringements so easily, if at all.

Of course reverse engineering them things. I would guess that happens a bit.

Of course reverse engineering them things. I would guess that happens a bit.

That doesn't really make sense either though. Companies hardly like spending resources forward-engineering their own products, why would they reverse engineer a competitor's product? Doing so doesn't guarantee inspiration for a new improved design, nor does it guarantee spotting infringed patents. That's a lot of time and money spent on a high possibility of no yield.

Watch out for paper cuts though.

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Nvidia = The First Order AMD = The Resistance Samsung = FN-2187 It all makes sense now, that Samsung will be producing chips for AMD.

When Companies Like Intel, AMD, Nvidia, and Samsung are legally taking actions against one another, little time and resources can be spend in order to safe one company Millions or Billions in $. And after Nvidia Lost the Patent Lawsuit against Samsung and Qualcomm it's normal for them to get the same treatment 😉

That doesn't really make sense either though. Companies hardly like spending resources forward-engineering their own products, why would they reverse engineer a competitor's product? Doing so doesn't guarantee inspiration for a new improved design, nor does it guarantee spotting infringed patents. That's a lot of time and money spent on a high possibility of no yield.

it may not be as simple as i am thinking the process is, but the way i see it is they simply disassemble the product until they can see the bare PCB, and then look for chips / chipsets / circuitry designs that match what they have patented. i mean if they see a chip with the word samsung on it, and they have that patented that would be a fairly easy infringement to identify. again, could be more complicated than that - but thats probably what they're doing to find the infringements.

The son of the judge is a AMD fan boy. His bedroom walls are plastered with the AMD posters that come packaged with each GPU purchase. Being the rich spoiled kid "teen" that he is, he has had many AMD GPU's. Big daddy judge of course has bought all of them. There was no hope for NVidia this time. :knock: /s

Serious question - how does a company like Samsung figure out that Nvidia infringes on such obscure patents like this? Color me ignorant, but these infringed designs don't seem like something you can obviously spot. Samsung, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with the manufacturing or design process of nvidia products. This isn't the first time something like this has come up, so I find it real suspicious that these companies are able to know about these infringements so easily, if at all.

I haven't been following it, but the story mentions this was Samsung's response to Nvidia's earlier lawsuit. Wouldn't surprise me if Samsung went looking for something like this, tbh i think Nvidia picked a fight with the wrong company.

That doesn't really make sense either though. Companies hardly like spending resources forward-engineering their own products, why would they reverse engineer a competitor's product? Doing so doesn't guarantee inspiration for a new improved design, nor does it guarantee spotting infringed patents. That's a lot of time and money spent on a high possibility of no yield.

The question is maybe, since how many times, Samsung know Nvidia use thoses patents in other products... ( they are related to bus, sram etc ) .. If Nvidia had not attack them ( and been ruled out ), surely Samsung will never goes after them too. Samsung have a lot of patents in so many domain.. that are used in semi.conductors design, in GPUs, in processors, in SOC, for 3G-4G,LTE, for communication devices, for photos sensors, display etc . ( and a lot more, Samsung is working on 80 different industrial domains ).. Maybe Samsung couldnt goes after thoses when Nvidia was make gpus, but knows where to search then. Many patents of Samsung ( a tons ) are under frand licences, or ESID ( Essentials for the Industry developpement ), and many company think they can use them without pay anything to Samsung. Actually, you cant build a smartphone or a tablet without using the technology patented by Samsung during thoses last 15 years .,..you cant use Nand, storage on a devices, touchscreens, communications devices ( voices or data ( 2g-3g-LTE etc ) without fall on a technology who have been developped by Samsung . Everyone need use patents from Samsung, or they cant even think to build and sell a smartphone or a tablet. Dont forget that Samsung was allready a semi-conductors leading company way before Nvidia exist. Well back to the topic: Aiee, for Nvidia, in this story, it really dont goes as they was hoped ...

That doesn't really make sense either though. Companies hardly like spending resources forward-engineering their own products, why would they reverse engineer a competitor's product? Doing so doesn't guarantee inspiration for a new improved design, nor does it guarantee spotting infringed patents. That's a lot of time and money spent on a high possibility of no yield.

With patents, you HAVE to defend them or they get declared invalid. Since Samsung is one of the leading producers of RISC based processors, it's hard to design a product using a RISC based processor without licensing something from Samsung. Hell, it's hard to produce much of anything anymore without ending up paying a licensing fee to someone. Of course, when you're a new comer like NVidia.....you don't challenge the incumbents like NVidia did. Samsung has vastly more experience in electronics and a lot deeper pockets than NVidia. Of course, I was among those hoping to see NVidia win.....

Nvidia = The First Order AMD = The Resistance Samsung = FN-2187 It all makes sense now, that Samsung will be producing chips for AMD.

yea sure, too bad AMD's colors are red and black

Nvidia = The First Order AMD = The Resistance Samsung = FN-2187 It all makes sense now, that Samsung will be producing chips for AMD.

nope it is more like: AMD = Zakel empire NVidia = The 1st Order Samsung = Mandalorian coalition Apple = the old Empire Linux user = the resistance 🙂

nope it is more like: AMD = Zakel empire NVidia = The 1st Order Samsung = Mandalorian coalition Apple = the old Empire Linux user = the resistance 🙂

This post makes the most sense. 🙂 Too many parents.

Of course, I was among those hoping to see NVidia win.....

lot of money will be lost in procedure but there isn't much in the file against NVidia. for those who are interested check big brother for those patent... if samsung win then lot of maker can prepare money to be sued too lol. on my to do list: Put patent on the wheel concept and sue everyone that use some when i need money 🙂

it may not be as simple as i am thinking the process is, but the way i see it is they simply disassemble the product until they can see the bare PCB, and then look for chips / chipsets / circuitry designs that match what they have patented. i mean if they see a chip with the word samsung on it, and they have that patented that would be a fairly easy infringement to identify. again, could be more complicated than that - but thats probably what they're doing to find the infringements.

If they see Samsung chip in nVidia's device, then nVidia or their fabs bought that chip through official channel. I rly did not know if I should cry or laugh at that comment.

nVidia was trying to prove that the term "GPU" was an actual unique and original product that it alone invented...and what a load of horse-hockey that was...;) Before nVidia shipped the failed nV1, tens of millions of people were using what were commonly called "graphics processors" and made by companies like the old ATi & Matrox. I was one of them. nVidia comes along (after 3dfx began) and its marketing arm at some point starts calling nVidia graphics processors "graphics processing units" to make it sound more impressive like "cpu"--central processing unit, etc. That's fine for an acronym--GPU--but of course the word "unit" tacked on to the phrase "graphics processor" is redundant--a graphics processor is by definition a graphics processing unit. But nVidia was trying to twist reality around and claim that a "GPU" was an entirely new, never heard of before and never seen kind of graphics processor. And of course had the court ruled in nVidia's favor against Samsung then nVidia would have started trying to collect royalties from every company that makes a GPU, starting with Samsung--on account of nVidia's claim that it invented the GPU. But fortunately that didn't happen and the court slammed nVidia down hard for that load of unadulterated garbage. (RAMBUS, move over--here comes nVidia!) But ironically enough, when nVidia sued Samsung, Samsung returned the favor with a counter-suit and now it looks like things are actually going Samsung's way as nVidia has lost its original GPU suit against Samsung and Samsung looks to be prevailing in its counter-suit accusing nVidia of violating three of Samsung's patents! Poetic justice always smells so sweet, doesn't it?...;) I don't know how all of this will turn out--I'm just happy with the court affirming that GPU is an acronym that everyone uses today (like "CPU") and no one owns a patent to the acronym GPU--but it belongs to everyone. Sorry nVidia--get y'er greedy mitts off!