NVIDIA: GeForce 1000 Series To Sell into 2019 - likely no RTX for Lower End Cards
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Valken
Smells like "excess" inventory and lack of competition in the market...Keep paying full price for 3 year old tech!
Robbo9999
It doesn't sound like an absolute definite that all Pascal cards will be selling into Q1 2019, because he uses the word "probably" in this following quote: "We will be selling probably for the holiday season, both our Turing and our Pascal overall architecture.". So it sounds like it might just be dependant on what Pascal stock is left over & how long that existing Pascal stock lasts. Although it does imply that this will be the likely scenario. For those deciding to buy Pascal, might make sense to buy sooner rather than later before stocks run out, provided you think prices for Pascal are at their lowest right now! I would guesstimate that Pascal prices will be at their lowest once the Turing cards have been launched from NVidia & also AIB partners, provided there is still sufficient Pascal supply at this point.
cryohellinc
This.
Fox2232
Supply and demand. No buyers => prices drop or nV goes out of business while keeping prices high.
Don't blame bad guy for doing damage when "victims" ask him to do harm.
DLD
"Actually it is rumored that they likely do not get Raytracing cores, and actually might remain in the GTX line of naming. It could also mean it might take a while before cards like 2060 would hit the market."
It looks like No-vidia is in a deep sh**. That is, the shelves are still full of (overpriced) cards and the new process is doubtful in terms of a yield and overall quality. Greediness takes it's toll.
And most certainly (not just likely) they do not get my money in foreseeable future. Until then, they will offer "raytracing cores" for free, just to sell any kind of cards.
southamptonfc
I'm quite sure Colette is a woman.
Kaarme
Considering 2070 will cost more than 1080, they kind of have the lower range covered for the time being even without releasing anything new. At least Nvidia didn't do AMDs and rebrand old Pascals to cover the mainstream and entry levels of the 2000 series.
Greywolf_Steel
Ah okay so my 1060 is still going to be worth more than i paid for it on ebay, I am hoping AMD step up for the next series of cards.
Archvile82
I still don't understand why some are peed off with Nvidia with regards to this. Pascal cards still offer great performance in all the latest games and this won't change until next gen consoles arrive.
Sure the 2000 series are expensive but it's clear that this range is a test bed for the new architecture and prep for 7nm.
If you don't want to be an early adopter, enjoy Pascal performance and wait for the 7nm gen which will bring RTX to the mainstream at more affordable prices.
I imagine the 7nm range will see similar gains as we saw with Kepler < Maxwell.
alanm
The 1080 ti's will run out first, since far less manufactured than the more mainstream 1070s and 1080s. I think the overstock is mainly with the 1070s. The 1080ti's have been between $630-650 a few weeks ago but have now gone back up in price ($50-100), which I think reflects the supply situation of that card.
mbk1969
NVIDIA: GeForce 1000 Series To Sell into 2019 - likely no RTX for Lower End Turing Cards
Robbo9999
Oh lordy, I bet you were part of the focus group for BF V who thought it was a good idea to include more woman & disabled people rather than 'focussing' on making a better overall game with decent atmosphere and an ability to turn off the blurry TAA mess! Yes, yes, it's all your fault! ;-) Joke by the way, hadn't noticed she was a women, I am guilty of paying no attention to the name and instead assuming that vice president and chief financial officers sound like men!
tunejunky
unfortunately it's not so simple. Nvidia has gotten fat off of the auto, deep learning/AI, and big data industries.
there aren't enough AIB sales to actually force them into a market based price correction.
otherwise i agree with you.
reix2x
Yet
H83
The RTX cards seem more and more like a stopgap until Nvidia can move to the next node...
Venix
There is no doupt in my mind this and at least the next generation nvidia's rtx will be what is hairworks now the perfomance tax is way too high and the lack of support in a wider range other than high end and more ....most likely 2xxx cards will never use it other than few games and benches
D3M1G0D
As I expected, 20-series customers are guinea pigs for RTX. Without mainstream support, there's little incentive for devs to prioritize ray-tracing so it will be limited to a small handful of games, and these games are what RTX customers will be playing (if you paid for a RTX card you might as well preorder these games đ).
In many ways, RTX customers are doing a service, paying the massive premium for these cards so that they can test RTX and make it ready for the rest of us. As I said before in other threads, the only reason you should be buying a 20-series card is for RTX.
It's been mentioned before how costly these chips are to produce, and how much RTX impacts performance (1080p/60 in Tomb Raider and Metro Exodus on a 2080 Ti, even dipping into the 30s). Even with optimizations, a RTX 2060 might only be able to do 720p with RTX on, which makes it an instant dud. Mainstream RTX might only be possible when they go 7nm - until then, the enthusiast-level 20-series can test the waters.
Kaarme
There migh never be an RTX 2060 for that express reason. With the current example games, 2070 could already be too weak to be of any use. Though I'm sure in some future games the devs might use raytracing very, very sparingly, so that 2080 Ti might still handle it in higher resolutions and 2070 might be able to deal with it in 1080p, with the basic 2080 somewhere between.
chispy
I will keep rocking my single GTX1080Ti OCed at 2126/5000Mhz is no slouch at 4K , i most likely wait until Next nvidia Gen or AMD Navi.
tunejunky
i've been harping on and on about process nodes for a bit, but i'll try to keep from dislocating my shoulder from patting myself on my back.
the gadget freak in me still wants one...but the practical side of me is telling me that by this time next year we'll have a far less expensive proposition for 4k in the Navi cards. at 7nm, besides all of the lovely effects (lower power, higher speed) you are getting more chips per wafer of silicon and spanking new foundries (physical, not corporate) with even higher efficiencies than the old.
Navi is going to be mid-market and offer up 1080ti-ish spec at around $300-400...
there will be new Vega at the high end too, but buying a RTX card at higher prices for slower FPS and needing a g-sync monitor... VS $300-400 Navi, freesync (and Samsung) and higher FPS with not giving a sh*t about ray tracing, tho' inevitably AMD will have their version at some point.
