Prepare your rotten eggs folks

"Do you guys not have desktop pc's? Lol

I honestly don't expect any gaming news out of this.

fantaskarsef:

I honestly don't expect any gaming news out of this.

Either there won't be any or it won't be relevant to anyone who doesn't at least have a 4080.

fantaskarsef:

I honestly don't expect any gaming news out of this.

Maybe some more DLSS and RT applications...

AI this, AI that... he might as well show us all his 10 middle fingers straight into the camera. Relevant in 2012: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/linus-torvalds-says-f-k-you-to-nvidia/ Still relevant today.

Gamers comes second to nvidia.

AI means Nvidia can further increase the price of their cards so AI is good for Nvidia

nVidia wants to focus on cloud gaming to add unnecessary lag to your gaming experience and charge you a monthly service to be honest.

H83:

Maybe some more DLSS and RT applications...

Well path tracing is the future of videogame lighting, wether you like it or not. It's crazy how fast it's being rendered already. It's the new late 90's videogame tech that's developing really fast, it's really exciting, especially now that RTX Remix has been released to the general public. I bet next gen consoles will feature path tracing as well.

TheDeeGee:

Well path tracing is the future of videogame lighting, wether you like it or not. It's crazy how fast it's being rendered already. It's the new late 90's videogame tech that's developing really fast, it's really exciting, especially now that RTX Remix has been released to the general public. I bet next gen consoles will feature path tracing as well.

Probably, but i really believe that it`s too soon for RT and path tracing because more than 90% of gamers simply don`t have hardware good enough for it. And the situation is not going to change dramatically in the next few years, i think.

RT might be future of lighting for games but to soon and way to expensive. and if prices keeping going they way they are it wont matter for majority. Never mind massive hit to peformance, sure it amazing it even running real time but dont make really usuable. What good is the amazing lighting if has horrid peformance hits and only card price can really are out reach of majority?, most people arnt gona pay 500 for gpu let alone 1500 the people that pay more then minority when come to sales Jesen will most likely come out with new leather jacket and probably smoking it too

100% of gamers didnt have the ability to run crysis fully maxed out but that game single handily set the standard for game graphics for like a decade. What if it was never made? What if they waited 5 more years to launch it so it was playable at full settings? It wouldn't have had the same impact. The other thing is all these advanced rendering techniques are iterative. Nvidia is improving ray performance every generation not because they are just divining knowledge from thin air. They build the hardware, games get built for the hardware - they see what works, what doesn't and how they can improve. They use that data to build the next generation. It's not like if they waited several years the hardware would be just as good as now. And if you don't want RT then just buy the cheaper card and don't run it?

did not say RT is bad or i dont want it, I said the price for and performance hit is not worth it, Mid range card are price like high end card and highend are priced like top tier, and entry level card are anything but entry level priced now. the problem is prices being charged. not the tech. and whole cysis arguement is funny back then mid range card were not 500+ and top/high endcard where not 800+ Nvidia dont seem to make non RT card anymore cause new stuff has that tech which "premium" cost 4070ti should not be $799 a 4080/ti should not be $1299 those are insane price hikes, RT is future but cost is of gpus is not any one including nvidia thinking those prices are sustainable without huge repercussion on industry as whole are delusional, which we are allready seeing and the answer to that and lose of revenue is to produce less and charge more which just as bad for the long run.

tsunami231:

did not say RT is bad or i dont want it, I said the price for and performance hit is not worth it, Mid range card are price like high end card and highend are priced like top tier, and entry level card are anything but entry level priced now. the problem is prices being charged. not the tech. and whole cysis arguement is funny back then mid range card were not 500+ and top/high endcard where not 800+ Nvidia dont seem to make non RT card anymore cause new stuff has that tech which "premium" cost but 4070ti should not be $799 4 4080 should not be $1299 those are insane price hikes

You said it's too soon - which implies that it shouldn't be out yet - hence the rest of my post describing why it's good that it's out and how that helps them make it more affordable/performant over time. The 8800 Ultra was $820 when it launched, adjusted for inflation that's close to $1100 today. The 8800 GTX ($600) adjusted is close to $900 today - I paid $730 for my 3080 and I can basically play all games with RT on my Ultrawide 1440p with no issue. I definitely agree that the 70 models crept up too much but you could get a 4070Ti for essentially the same price as a 8800 was when Crysis launched and play nearly every game with RT on fully maxed out below 4K. Idk - I like that Nvidia is advancing. I'd rather them push the tech, push the industry forward then sit like Intel did during the Core 2 era doing nothing for years. The money part sucks, I wish they were cheaper - but I don't think if RT didn't come out they would be so it's irrelevant really. I'd rather pay more and get new tech then pay more and get no tech.

Ray tracing will also make it easier for game developers, as they don't have to use trickery to get nice lighting.

Denial:

The 8800 Ultra was $820 when it launched

that is top tier card not high end if we go by that current top tier card have doubled in price. I said mid and high end pricing of all teirs go well beyond inflation and I highly doubt that 1500$ card cost 500$ per card to make, not talking development cost here, less some one actual has internal nivida documents that state how per card cost. Again Nvidia and Jensen have pretty much started pricing thing at stupid numbers cause, whole mining crap that went down, and found out people were will to pay 2-3 mrsp from scaplers.

Denial:

100% of gamers didnt have the ability to run crysis fully maxed out but that game single handily set the standard for game graphics for like a decade. What if it was never made? What if they waited 5 more years to launch it so it was playable at full settings? It wouldn't have had the same impact. The other thing is all these advanced rendering techniques are iterative. Nvidia is improving ray performance every generation not because they are just divining knowledge from thin air. They build the hardware, games get built for the hardware - they see what works, what doesn't and how they can improve. They use that data to build the next generation. It's not like if they waited several years the hardware would be just as good as now. And if you don't want RT then just buy the cheaper card and don't run it?

The Crysis example is a funny one because although the game set the benchmark for (PC) graphics, it was also the reason for the downfall of the game, because very few could run the game at max settings and even fewer noticed that the game in medium/high settings still looked much better than the other games available at the time... So the game didn`t sold that well despite the amazing graphics. I loved it btw. As for RT, i`m not against it but the hardware is not good enough for it, we need a 4090 to play games with RT on at acceptable frames, that`s just insane. I think they should a soft implementation of RT, like first use it just for shadows, then later use it for another setting and so on. But this is just my opinion, of course.

Denial:

100% of gamers didnt have the ability to run crysis fully maxed out but that game single handily set the standard for game graphics for like a decade. What if it was never made? What if they waited 5 more years to launch it so it was playable at full settings? It wouldn't have had the same impact.

Yes it would. Crysis was the benchmark for almost 10 years after its release. The meme still exists even today, this argument is not really an argument. If Crysis launched in 2012 it would have still been the best looking game around and probably better coded to use multicore CPU's and also sold more too instead of being pirated so much due to how hard it was to run. If they waited til now to release RT capable GPU's with their new Frame Generation technology it would have been much better recieved. We would have got a 2000 series that would have been a much bigger upgrade from the 1000 series due to more silicon being devoted to compute shaders and the same with the 3000 series. The 2000 series more than likely would have sold way more units too and people wouldn't have held onto their 1000 series GPU's. Nvidia could have used this extra money to further progress the behind the scenes development of RT and FG. But instead they released a piss poor upgrade for everyone on 1000 series, with a tech that even their highest end 2080Ti couldn't actually handle even when using DLSS. Its like releasing a car that has a 600bhp engine but the wheels are only designed to handle 100mph, people who buy it would be pissed. I think DLSS released at the right time with the 2000 series, PC gamers had been asking for a proper upscaling tech for years since the PS4 and Xbox One was using chequerboard rendering. By releasing DLSS and not RT at this time could have given their devs more time and resources to work on DLSS making the switch from each version even faster and the implementation into games too working with even more developers. Now release the 4000 series when they did with the same performance it has but you introduce RT and FG...... Would people be complaining about RT being "too soon?" probably not. You would also have more or less every game that uses RT also using FG and getting much better performance in all of them. So yes, RT was too soon.

This may not be mentioned at Computex, but they seem to have a bunch of new technologies in the pipeline which they are set to reveal at a later event (SIGGRAPH). https://wccftech.com/nvidia-neural-compression-technique-unlocks-16x-texture-detail/