NVIDIA Brings Ultra-Realism to Video Games with AI and Path Tracing Technologies

#6113738

TheDeeGee

2023-03-21 09:29

I just want my ray traced Return to Castle Wolfenstein.

#6113740

cucaulay malkin

2023-03-21 09:36

another keyone on how to have the most innovative technologies, yet make them available only to people willing to pay at least 900eur for a gpu. I'm all for path tracing, there's no other way to achieve true cgi-level real time graphics in games, even if that comes at the cost of dlss3. But FFS, progress means very little in reality if it's available to 0.8% of steam users because of the cost. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidias-rtx-4080-4070-ti-finally-arrive-in-the-steam-hardware-survey

#6113744

Krizby

2023-03-21 09:47

Let see if we can see V's reflection in path traced CP2077 😀

#6113754

cucaulay malkin

2023-03-21 10:09

With these prices I'm not surprised to see people, even enthusiasts who would like to have rt, temprorarily rdna2 their way out of the situation until rtx4080 level of rt/pt performance is $700. This is the third gen of rt cards already, would be nice to see costs of running rt going down, like rtx3070/3080, instead of up compared to even 1st gen of rtx cards.

#6113756

Crazy Joe

2023-03-21 10:16

cucaulay malkin:

another keyone on how to have the most innovative technologies, yet make them available only to people willing to pay at least 900eur for a gpu. I'm all for path tracing, there's no other way to achieve true cgi-level real time graphics in games, even if that comes at the cost of dlss3. But FFS, progress means very little in reality if it's available to 0.8% of steam users because of the cost. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidias-rtx-4080-4070-ti-finally-arrive-in-the-steam-hardware-survey

If nobody builds the technology, no-one will use that technology. See this as the first steps on the path to affordable levels of Ray Tracing. If its not for you with this generation, it will be in the next or next-after generation. But if no-one is willing to push ahead with it, it will never get to that level. BTW: The RTX 3000 series has already got decent ray tracing performance, just don't expect to play all games at 4K.

#6113757

xxx5x

2023-03-21 10:19

Before trying to push path-tracing it would be nice to have ray-tracing. Not this alpha version where one needs to use upscaler to have usable performance even with bare minimum of rays cast that we have currently.

#6113760

cucaulay malkin

2023-03-21 10:19

Less and less affordable the better it gets apparently.

#6113762

Horus-Anhur

2023-03-21 10:32

A feature only for the 0.1%.

#6113772

Valken

2023-03-21 11:42

PS5 does ray tracing at 4K with AMD GPU right?

#6113775

fry178

2023-03-21 11:49

@cucaulay malkin doesnt mean it needs to be available for all within a few gens. virtually all safety features in cars available today, came from MB, and almost all of them only available in its S class series, and it takes about 10y to trickle down to other brands.

#6113777

Passus

2023-03-21 11:54

Valken:

PS5 does ray tracing at 4K with AMD GPU right?

Yes but consoles mostly have frame locks to 30-40fps when ray tracing mode is used sometimes drops to the 20s but consoles use trickery to mask the framerate like super excessive motion blur ect

#6113789

fry178

2023-03-21 12:15

@Passus they also have VRR, so fps drops shouldnt really be an issue.

#6113807

Passus

2023-03-21 13:05

fry178:

@Passus they also have VRR, so fps drops shouldnt really be an issue.

Yes but with trickery VRR under 40fps is horrid on a PC

#6113810

Texter

2023-03-21 13:06

Rendered at 480p, AI upscaled to 4K@144Hz with fa...AI inspired frames in DLSS 3.1...o_O nVidia RTX with Path Tracing...8K ready! (only compatible with nVidia RTX40xx series or later)

#6113831

-Tj-

2023-03-21 13:46

Is this that new thing - Remix, where AI enhances textures and lighting? I would like to see thief3 deadly shadows, like thedeegee mentioned Wolfenstein and doom3 😀

#6113833

Denial

2023-03-21 13:57

xxx5x:

Before trying to push path-tracing it would be nice to have ray-tracing. Not this alpha version where one needs to use upscaler to have usable performance even with bare minimum of rays cast that we have currently.

Disagree. Would rather create/optimize/build for pathtracing immediately and skip all the intermediately hackery bullshit. In older games it works great, performance is adequate, makes the quality significantly better while respecting original art direction. In newer games techniques are improving where PT is even being integrated into titles like CP2077. In a generation or two when we see 2-4x raytracing speed we'll be glad all these games had full integration. I also don't see the issues with upscalers. I'm willing to bet in blind A/B tests the vast majority of people couldn't pick the difference. In fact there might be a point soon where people are picking the upscaler as the better image. Furthermore even fully raster games are implementing various forms of TAA so linking upscaling to path/raytracing is kind of a moot point.

#6113838

schmidtbag

2023-03-21 14:06

cucaulay malkin:

With these prices I'm not surprised to see people, even enthusiasts who would like to have rt, temprorarily rdna2 their way out of the situation until rtx4080 level of rt/pt performance is $700. This is the third gen of rt cards already, would be nice to see costs of running rt going down, like rtx3070/3080, instead of up compared to even 1st gen of rtx cards.

That's precisely why I'm contemplating getting an RDNA2 GPU once prices drop further, because the only way to get a reliably playable 4K raytraced experience is if you spend 4 figures on a GPU. As someone who plays games semi-casually and doesn't mind lowering some graphical settings just a notch, I find it hard to justify myself spending more than $350 on a new GPU. It has taken long enough for 4K@60FPS (without RT) to become attainable by reasonably priced GPUs, I'm not about to wait another decade for them all to be RT-ready. Besides, as the article suggests, there is room for optimization. I'd rather wait.

#6113854

mbk1969

2023-03-21 14:36

I don`t need realism in games. Give me good gameplay, story, characters, art style, re-playability.

#6113855

RealNC

2023-03-21 14:39

"NVIDIA Brings Ultra-Realism to Video Games" by releasing overpriced mainstream GPUs that can't handle any of it.

#6113864

cucaulay malkin

2023-03-21 15:06

Denial:

Disagree. Would rather create/optimize/build for pathtracing immediately and skip all the intermediately hackery bullshit. In older games it works great, performance is adequate, makes the quality significantly better while respecting original art direction. In newer games techniques are improving where PT is even being integrated into titles like CP2077. In a generation or two when we see 2-4x raytracing speed we'll be glad all these games had full integration. I also don't see the issues with upscalers. I'm willing to bet in blind A/B tests the vast majority of people couldn't pick the difference. In fact there might be a point soon where people are picking the upscaler as the better image. Furthermore even fully raster games are implementing various forms of TAA so linking upscaling to path/raytracing is kind of a moot point.

Yeah, ray tracing is Scottie Pippen, still great but path tracing is the MJ23 of real time graphics. It's the ultimate goal, better just cut to the chase instead of teasing us with "almost as good" for a decade.