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Down the drain where every nVidia's proprietary technology belongs. But at least they can't hurt me this time around. nVidia is only HW maker company which invades market by introducing (invading) proprietary technology into "Open" Standard. (While code for DX is not open, its programming methods and documentation are available to anyone. Same goes for required HW specifications.) But nVidia has to come in and say: "We have something more than others. And it will not run on their hardware, or will run like sh..."

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What? The thread? Nowhere. Although I think it's good nVidia are doing dev stuff, or rather, continuing to do dev stuffs as they have for many years - this device has no actual point to it. The video did no comparison to 4K UHD televisions for 90% of what this addon box does and glossed over the GFX punch it lacks for gaming. Not knocking anyone that wants to buy one, but ffs people, why buy another box for your teevee when your teevee already does everything this box does, minus gaming, which is incredibly out of date and doesn't run the latest games. F1 2010...seriously? That's their front page lead title? Gimme a break.

What? The thread? Nowhere. Although I think it's good nVidia are doing dev stuff, or rather, continuing to do dev stuffs as they have for many years - this device has no actual point to it. The video did no comparison to 4K UHD televisions for 90% of what this addon box does and glossed over the GFX punch it lacks for gaming. Not knocking anyone that wants to buy one, but ffs people, why buy another box for your teevee when your teevee already does everything this box does, minus gaming, which is incredibly out of date and doesn't run the latest games. F1 2010...seriously? That's their front page lead title? Gimme a break.

Crysis 3.

Wrong way Nvidia.

What? The thread? Nowhere. Although I think it's good nVidia are doing dev stuff, or rather, continuing to do dev stuffs as they have for many years - this device has no actual point to it. The video did no comparison to 4K UHD televisions for 90% of what this addon box does and glossed over the GFX punch it lacks for gaming. Not knocking anyone that wants to buy one, but ffs people, why buy another box for your teevee when your teevee already does everything this box does, minus gaming, which is incredibly out of date and doesn't run the latest games. F1 2010...seriously? That's their front page lead title? Gimme a break.

You keep making that argument but I don't know anyone who has a smart TV that can stream games from their PC or stream games like Batman Origins or Borderlands over the internet. This isn't just a Netflix streaming box. The whole point of this console is to showcase Nvidia's Grid streaming service and to my knowledge, there is no TV that does that. And how is is outdated? The new tegra chip is pretty powerful.

Crysis 3.

...is an old game

You keep making that argument but I don't know anyone who has a smart TV that can stream games from their PC or stream games like Batman Origins or Borderlands over the internet. This isn't just a Netflix streaming box. The whole point of this console is to showcase Nvidia's Grid streaming service and to my knowledge, there is no TV that does that. And how is is outdated? The new tegra chip is pretty powerful.

That isn't even to mention the Android TV platform itself, all the apps that will be developed, updated for the platform. As oppose to now, half the Samsung apps on my Smart TV are like unusable laggy garbage.

You keep making that argument but I don't know anyone who has a smart TV that can stream games from their PC or stream games like Batman Origins or Borderlands over the internet. This isn't just a Netflix streaming box. The whole point of this console is to showcase Nvidia's Grid streaming service and to my knowledge, there is no TV that does that. And how is is outdated? The new tegra chip is pretty powerful.

It's out of date. You know this because they only make comparisons to PS3 and Xbox 360 tech.

...is an old game

Witcher 3 isn't

It's out of date. You know this because they only make comparisons to PS3 and Xbox 350 tech.

And yet again you're missing the point. Streaming games through Grid means you don't need to have the most powerful system out there to run the games. The game is rendered on Nvidia's servers and streamed to the device.

Witcher 3 isn't

I think you mean Witcher 2. Witcher 3 isn't listed.

I think you mean Witcher 2. Witcher 3 isn't listed.

http://www.androidcentral.com/nvidia-rolls-out-grid-game-streaming-service

I think you mean Witcher 2. Witcher 3 isn't listed.

Yeah except you can stream it from your PC to the console and play it. And I fail to see what your argument is anyway. You're like writing off 2 year old games as non-important when your alternative can't even play games. Like you're seriously comparing TV software to a dedicated TV platform that runs on Android?

Yeah except you can stream it from your PC to the console and play it. And I fail to see what your argument is anyway. You're like writing off 2 year old games as non-important when your alternative can't even play games. Like you're seriously comparing TV software to a dedicated TV platform that runs on Android?

I'm arguing the merits of a teevee system that works just fine in UHD and is hooked up to every app you would need via Android (in the case of I believe Panasonic) or whatever inbuilt app resides on the teevee you buy. As for games, you can buy a games console, which is more powerful and (in addition) also has all of the apps one would use for teevee anyhow - if your teevee doesn't have any of the apps or types of apps avaliable to it. In terms of them promoting a games console, I'm arguing their approach is one of holding up their system to be some kind of answer to a question no one has asked or provides a solution to a problem which doesn't exist. Is there a problem with playing the very latest games on your teevee via a console? No. Is there a problem playing UHD content via Android of w/e OS via your teevee directly, without the need for a set-top box? No. Is this an alternative to a console? Not. Really. They way they tell it, is there is a problem and this device addresses that problem when it doesn't need to. As for the streaming aspect, yes, I like the technology behind it but any attempt chance we have of reminding companies that we do not want to have our games in some sort of subscription model and have them as tangible items we have in our hands for the rest of our lives so we so wish, then we should. Btw, new teevees do have the ability to play games straight off the box - although they are pretty cheap looking 2D games, but still - consumers are dumb and tell them a teevee can play games in 4K UHD without the need to buy another box or have another remote and they will buy it.

I'm arguing the merits of a teevee system that works just fine in UHD and is hooked up to every app you would need via Android (in the case of I believe Panasonic) or whatever inbuilt app resides on the teevee you buy. As for games, you can buy a games console, which is more powerful and (in addition) also has all of the apps one would use for teevee anyhow - if your teevee doesn't have any of the apps or types of apps avaliable to it. In terms of them promoting a games console, I'm arguing their approach is one of holding up their system to be some kind of answer to a question no one has asked or provides a solution to a problem which doesn't exist. Is there a problem with playing the very latest games on your teevee via a console? No. Is there a problem playing UHD content via Android of w/e OS via your teevee directly, without the need for a set-top box? No. Is this an alternative to a console? Not. Really. They way they tell it, is there is a problem and this device addresses that problem when it doesn't need to. As for the streaming aspect, yes, I like the technology behind it but any attempt chance we have of reminding companies that we do not want to have our games in some sort of subscription model and have them as tangible items we have in our hands for the rest of our lives so we so wish, then we should. Btw, new teevees do have the ability to play games straight off the box - although they are pretty cheap looking 2D games, but still - consumers are dumb and tell them a teevee can play games in 4K UHD without the need to buy another box or have another remote and they will buy it.

Streaming games from your PC to your Shield requires no subscription. Contrary to your statements, it is suitable as a console replacement if not only for the fact that it's hundreds of dollars cheaper. No one is playing any games on a smart TV's software. Their system is a problem that exists. I want to play games on my TV and there is no simple way to do that. I own an xbox one, most of my media consumption happens through that. I have a shield tablet that stays plugged in to the TV most of the time, which I use to stream games, from my pc, to the TV. If the console had been out 6 months ago, or whenever I bought the tablet, I would've gone for that. The smart TV can't play anything worth playing, so that's out. It can't stream games from PC Most will never receive updates adding additional functionality or apps. It lessens your selection of TVs further by limiting you only to smart TVs worth having. Smart TVs are solving a problem that doesn't exist. Rather than having the software come with the TV, and causing most people to "make due" with their smart TV set up, we should make it easy to buy a box that checks all the boxes for what that person is looking for. I've never met a person that was satisfied with their Smart TV. It's either got weird update issues, the menu is horrible, the apps are using old interfaces or designs, or they just don't even work.

I'm arguing the merits of a teevee system that works just fine in UHD and is hooked up to every app you would need via Android (in the case of I believe Panasonic) or whatever inbuilt app resides on the teevee you buy. As for games, you can buy a games console, which is more powerful and (in addition) also has all of the apps one would use for teevee anyhow - if your teevee doesn't have any of the apps or types of apps avaliable to it. In terms of them promoting a games console, I'm arguing their approach is one of holding up their system to be some kind of answer to a question no one has asked or provides a solution to a problem which doesn't exist. Is there a problem with playing the very latest games on your teevee via a console? No. Is there a problem playing UHD content via Android of w/e OS via your teevee directly, without the need for a set-top box? No. Is this an alternative to a console? Not. Really. They way they tell it, is there is a problem and this device addresses that problem when it doesn't need to. As for the streaming aspect, yes, I like the technology behind it but any attempt chance we have of reminding companies that we do not want to have our games in some sort of subscription model and have them as tangible items we have in our hands for the rest of our lives so we so wish, then we should. Btw, new teevees do have the ability to play games straight off the box - although they are pretty cheap looking 2D games, but still - consumers are dumb and tell them a teevee can play games in 4K UHD without the need to buy another box or have another remote and they will buy it.

I guess that's great if you already own that. I currently have 3 TV's and only one of them is a smart TV. It's a samsung and it doesn't run android. So my option is either buying an Panasonic TV running android (which I can't seem to find) or buying this. With this I get a significantly faster set top box that's forward compatible with any device I buy in the future. It's transportable. It runs Android TV and not just Android. It's cheaper then buying a whole new TV and I can pair with any device I want. It offers additional functionality through Nvidia's Grid/Game Stream service + it can play higher quality native Android games. So yeah. I guess if you already own an Android based Smart TV, then obviously you may not want to buy this. But for the rest of the world who doesn't, I don't see how it's a useless device. Your original post just assumed everyone owns a TV with this functionality already and that because of that the entire device "has no actual point to it." which is a pretty ridiculous statement.

I guess that's great if you already own that. I currently have 3 TV's and only one of them is a smart TV. It's a samsung and it doesn't run android. So my option is either buying an Panasonic TV running android (which I can't seem to find) or buying this. With this I get a significantly faster set top box that's forward compatible with any device I buy in the future. It's transportable. It runs Android TV and not just Android. It's cheaper then buying a whole new TV and I can pair with any device I want. It offers additional functionality through Nvidia's Grid/Game Stream service + it can play higher quality native Android games. So yeah. I guess if you already own an Android based Smart TV, then obviously you may not want to buy this. But for the rest of the world who doesn't, I don't see how it's a useless device. Your original post just assumed everyone owns a TV with this functionality already and that because of that the entire device "has no actual point to it." which is a pretty ridiculous statement.

I meant the people who own a 4K UHD teevee, and those about to buy one. The android OS built into teevee's are with Sony, Philips and Sharp. Citation ninja edit: looks like you can use your existing tablets and phones to control the teevee as well, using Android. ninja edit#2: also looks like this is a pi$$ing contest between hardware manufacturers, and gamers are caught in the middle - I don't want to get involved in this. See you when 8K comes out.

I meant the people who own a 4K UHD teevee, and those about to buy one. The android OS built into teevee's are with Sony, Philips and Sharp. Citation ninja edit: looks like you can use your existing tablets and phones to control the teevee as well, using Android. ninja edit#2: also looks like this is a pi$$ing contest between hardware manufacturers, and gamers are caught in the middle - I don't want to get involved in this. See you when 8K comes out.

Right now there are only three Android TV devices. The Nexus Player, Shield Console, and Razor Forge. Sony has announced their Android TV line, but they also carry a huge cost. You still have to have dedicated hardware to use it. In terms of hardware though, the Shield Console is still the strongest of the 3 being made to play games or stream games, and having actual gpu cores as well. Even when Samsung, LG, or any other company come with their Android TV devices I easily guarantee none of them will be at the Shield's level for GPU performance.

Right now there are only three Android TV devices. The Nexus Player, Shield Console, and Razor Forge. Sony has announced their Android TV line, but they also carry a huge cost. You still have to have dedicated hardware to use it. In terms of hardware though, the Shield Console is still the strongest of the 3 being made to play games or stream games, and having actual gpu cores as well. Even when Samsung, LG, or any other company come with their Android TV devices I easily guarantee none of them will be at the Shield's level for GPU performance.

That's just if you insist on using Android TeeVee, but there are 4K UHD teevee's out there for sub $400-$500 range which will do everything consumers would want from a smart 4K UHD teevee - so again, it falls back to the 'why' syndrome.

That's just if you insist on using Android TeeVee, but there are 4K UHD teevee's out there for sub $400-$500 range which will do everything consumers would want from a smart 4K UHD teevee - so again, it falls back to the 'why' syndrome.

Not all 4k TV's have the same features. Your average 4k TV does not have software built into it such as Android TV, dealing with current Smart TV offerings from Samsung for example and using them as a digital Signage machine, they are very choppy, unresponsive, slow, and support drops for these models very quickly. The current "solutions" for Smart TV's are horrible. Where as with a set top box that has a fully supported platform that grows everyday, you can always find something to do on it or something new. You can expand, whereas a Samsung Smart TV with apps you cannot. Sony's 4k Smart TV's with Android TV also start off at $799.99(sale price, normal price is $1,599.99). I will admit, if you are not doing any intense gaming then this is a very decent price(while on sale). But, if you want to do high end gaming such as playing Crysis or Doom then good luck with that. If you want to stream your games, not going to happen. That is where set top boxes such as the Shield Console that supports 4k resolution, and modern games, and Nvidia constantly supporting Android and helps porting games to ARM platform, the Shield Console is an awesome deal. No other company is embracing Android gaming like Nvidia is. Razor is probably second best with streaming, but that's where they fall flat.