Nvidia and AMD to Develop Arm Processors for Windows PCs by 2025

#6178348

fantaskarsef

2023-10-24 09:51

"Nvidia and AMD are both collaborating..."

Must be cold in hell today.

#6178361

rl66

2023-10-24 10:53

fantaskarsef:

Must be cold in hell today.

No, they team play for survive 🙂 (Also in a lot of culture hell is icy cold lol)

#6178418

Ivrogne

2023-10-24 14:17

This is going to be the greatest plot twist period. Potentially bigger than Intel cpu with AMD's gpu inside.

#6178425

H83

2023-10-24 14:44

fantaskarsef:

Must be cold in hell today.

You wouldn`t believe me if i told you how cold it really is down here!!!....:D

#6178449

schmidtbag

2023-10-24 16:07

To be fair, Nvidia doesn't really have much of a beef with AMD's CPU division. What surprises me is how Nvidia hasn't tried getting ARM on Windows sooner, but I'm sure Qualcomm was the roadblock there.

#6178454

H83

2023-10-24 16:14

schmidtbag:

To be fair, Nvidia doesn't really have much of a beef with AMD's CPU division. What surprises me is how Nvidia hasn't tried getting ARM on Windows sooner, but I'm sure Qualcomm was the roadblock there.

Quite frankly, i don`t understand why people insist with ARM on Windows, it`s an worse experience than X86 CPUs with very little benefit. Wouldn`t be much better to develop ARM CPUs and ship them with Linux?

#6178455

rl66

2023-10-24 16:16

schmidtbag:

To be fair, Nvidia doesn't really have much of a beef with AMD's CPU division. What surprises me is how Nvidia hasn't tried getting ARM on Windows sooner, but I'm sure Qualcomm was the roadblock there.

-AMD already work on ARM, NVidia have tried to buy ARM -AMD have idea and few money for it's size, NVidia have no idea but have lot of money So it is logical that they get closer for ARM (as it is already major on Pro segment).

#6178459

schmidtbag

2023-10-24 16:38

H83:

Quite frankly, i don`t understand why people insist with ARM on Windows, it`s an worse experience than X86 CPUs with very little benefit.

I don't really disagree but I also find Windows to be an inferior experience on x86 too sooo maybe I'm not the right person to discuss about this lol.

Wouldn`t be much better to develop ARM CPUs and ship them with Linux?

Nvidia already has for many years. Their Jetson boards are relatively popular. I think they would be more popular if they weren't so damn expensive.

rl66:

-AMD already work on ARM, NVidia have tried to buy ARM -AMD have idea and few money for it's size, NVidia have no idea but have lot of money So it is logical that they get closer for ARM (as it is already major on Pro segment).

Nvidia is much further along with anything regarding ARM than AMD. As far as I'm aware, the most AMD ever did with ARM was for a prototype server board as a fallback in case Zen failed, as well as controllers for PSP. Nvidia has a well-established market in robotics, automotive, and gaming/media systems.

#6178461

rl66

2023-10-24 16:42

H83:

Quite frankly, i don`t understand why people insist with ARM on Windows, it`s an worse experience than X86 CPUs with very little benefit. Wouldn`t be much better to develop ARM CPUs and ship them with Linux?

The things is not on Windows, Linux (i would better said open OSes) or iOS, as all 3 world exist in ARM flavor. But more that ARM are already everywhere and is more futureproof than any other CPU design due to it's adaptability. As an exemple: for many server task, the benefit is huge in energy, speed and work, compared with classical X86/X64 system. Also Apple now use ARM CPU in mac since many year now and they are astonishing, it now pair with high end X86/X64 CPU + high segment mid end GPU consuming just a bit more than a tablet. ARM is not the future, it is already now and here, everywhere, and the giant companies just started to move...

#6178462

Denial

2023-10-24 16:42

rl66:

-AMD already work on ARM, NVidia have tried to buy ARM -AMD have idea and few money for it's size, NVidia have no idea but have lot of money So it is logical that they get closer for ARM (as it is already major on Pro segment).

Wat.. Nvidia uses ARM all over the place.

#6178466

rl66

2023-10-24 16:56

schmidtbag:

Nvidia is much further along with anything regarding ARM than AMD. As far as I'm aware, the most AMD ever did with ARM was for a prototype server board as a fallback in case Zen failed, as well as controllers for PSP. Nvidia has a well-established market in robotics, automotive, and gaming/media systems.

NVidia used this to promote own closed solution (as tegra etc), Xilinx is AMD... But the one who frightened both is Apple right now, no one expected such a personal computer with ARM.

#6178472

rl66

2023-10-24 17:10

Denial:

Wat.. Nvidia uses ARM all over the place.

Old hardware with own solution, that perform like 1/4 priced chinese cheap version (also they have lost lot of major car company that now use their own ARM system)... So yes they use some, as AMD on pro system, but not something too exiting Samsung, Apple, Google, and most asian company do better with less hype. This is why they need to do "something", in order to stay in the run, and not pain following the one that are above.

#6178474

vestibule

2023-10-24 17:20

Hmm. I wonder if AMD have their sights set on toppling apples M1.

#6178475

schmidtbag

2023-10-24 17:30

rl66:

NVidia used this to promote own closed solution (as tegra etc), Xilinx is AMD... But the one who frightened both is Apple right now, no one expected such a personal computer with ARM.

I thought Xilinx only did FPGAs?

#6178495

Kaleid

2023-10-24 18:51

vestibule:

Hmm. I wonder if AMD have their sights set on toppling apples M1.

This should certainly happen. Apple is now the efficiency king

#6178502

anticupidon

2023-10-24 19:14

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

Nvidia and AMD are collaborating on the development of Arm processors specifically for Windows PCs, as reported by sources in contact with Reuters. As it stands, Qualcomm is the exclusive producer of Arm chips for Windows devices. Nvidia and AMD to Develop Arm Processors for Windows PCs by 2025

That should be the most wild, impossible, not in a million years kind of conspiracy rumor that I wouldn't even bother to hear or read some years ago, yet here we are.

#6178507

anticupidon

2023-10-24 19:19

rl66:

The things is not on Windows, Linux (i would better said open OSes) or iOS, as all 3 world exist in ARM flavor. But more that ARM are already everywhere and is more futureproof than any other CPU design due to it's adaptability. As an exemple: for many server task, the benefit is huge in energy, speed and work, compared with classical X86/X64 system. Also Apple now use ARM CPU in mac since many year now and they are astonishing, it now pair with high end X86/X64 CPU + high segment mid end GPU consuming just a bit more than a tablet. ARM is not the future, it is already now and here, everywhere, and the giant companies just started to move...

Oh, it is finally happening. And I waited years for that. Some may remembered that I posted a thread about Baikal, the ARM desktop computer I wanted badly to buy, get one. Impossible. Sadly, I heard that that project is sacked, or put on shadows. But this, this gives hope.

#6178529

schmidtbag

2023-10-24 20:29

anticupidon:

Oh, it is finally happening. And I waited years for that. Some may remembered that I posted a thread about Baikal, the ARM desktop computer I wanted badly to buy, get one. Impossible. Sadly, I heard that that project is sacked, or put on shadows. But this, this gives hope.

There are lots of ARM boards today that are worth using for a basic desktop. Nowadays you can get decent NVMe performance, 2.5Gbps ethernet, multiple UHD displays, modern video codecs, 16GB RAM configurations, and relatively modern USB protocols. I personally have a Radxa Rock 5B for my home server. Runs pretty smooth.

#6178544

H83

2023-10-24 21:15

rl66:

The things is not on Windows, Linux (i would better said open OSes) or iOS, as all 3 world exist in ARM flavor. But more that ARM are already everywhere and is more futureproof than any other CPU design due to it's adaptability. As an exemple: for many server task, the benefit is huge in energy, speed and work, compared with classical X86/X64 system. Also Apple now use ARM CPU in mac since many year now and they are astonishing, it now pair with high end X86/X64 CPU + high segment mid end GPU consuming just a bit more than a tablet. ARM is not the future, it is already now and here, everywhere, and the giant companies just started to move...

ARM CPUs could be all that and more but what`s the point of using them with Windows? They are going to offer an inferior experience, due to compatibility issues, and they offer little advantages over X86 CPUs, that are already powerful and efficient enough. This reminds me of when Intel tried to enter the smartphone market with their own X86 CPUs, in the end they managed to make a very decent chip but the big problem is that it didn`t offer any advantage over ARM CPUs, so they simply quit. I continue to think that ARM CPUs for desktops/laptops should use a good Linux distro instead of wasting time with Windows.

#6178554

rl66

2023-10-24 21:59

H83:

I continue to think that ARM CPUs for desktops/laptops should use a good Linux distro instead of wasting time with Windows.

Linux ARM is almost the same than Windows ARM... (the problem were more hardware with surface (too weak) than from OS) There is more people on linux working on fixes, than on M$ side lol... The comunity is always a good point with Open OSes. (and using linux is always good)