this (and other B760) is what is going to eat AM5's lunch for the rest of this year - if this is over $199 you can paint me in pinstripes and call me monkey.

199 ? there's a higher "A" wifi variant for 169 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VVqPxr/msi-pro-b760m-a-wifi-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b760m-a-wifi-ddr4 this will go for 149 tops.

tunejunky:

this (and other B760) is what is going to eat AM5's lunch for the rest of this year - if this is over $199 you can paint me in pinstripes and call me monkey.

Its not that much cheaper than B650 and A620 boards are coming. With DDR4 idk who are this boards for. It has zero upgradability that platform.

idk who would really build a value system on ddr5 tbh. overpay on board, overpay on ram. ddr5 makes little sense against ddr4 unless you're using +6000mhz sticks,which like I said only make sense on intel tbh since they're still very early ddr5. ~8000mhz will be mainstream next year, and you'll only hit that on 12/13th gen when overclocking current hynix. 6000 hynix is a little pricey and to 4800 it's only like 2666 to 2133, hard pass. Only thing that makes it futureproof is overclockability on 12/13 th gen. @tunejunky that ram test was absolutely pointless tbh as it was clearly done in gpu heavy places in games. no way 12400 comes within 1% of 12900K when cpu actually matters. this is an actual cpu heavy location in witcher 3, there's 26% between 12900 and 12400, also tested on 3090 so the card is the same as in g3d's test. https://www.purepc.pl/test-procesorow-intel-core-i5-13400f-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600-ktory-bedzie-lepszym-wyborem-za-okolo-1000-zlotych?page=0,28

cucaulay malkin:

idk who would really build a value system on ddr5 tbh. overpay on board, overpay on ram. ddr5 makes little sense against ddr4 unless you're using +6000mhz sticks,which like I said only make sense on intel tbh since they're still very early ddr5. ~8000mhz will be mainstream next year, and you'll only hit that on 12/13th gen when overclocking current hynix. 6000 hynix is a little pricey and to 4800 it's only like 2666 to 2133, hard pass. Only thing that makes it futureproof is overclockability on 12/13 th gen. @tunejunky that ram test was absolutely pointless tbh as it was clearly done in gpu heavy places in games. no way 12400 comes within 1% of 12900K when cpu actually matters. this is an actual cpu heavy location in witcher 3, there's 26% between 12900 and 12400, also tested on 3090 so the card is the same as in g3d's test. https://www.purepc.pl/test-procesorow-intel-core-i5-13400f-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600-ktory-bedzie-lepszym-wyborem-za-okolo-1000-zlotych?page=0,28

there are (clearly) people who would, plus y'know...oem systems where Intel makes bank will have marketing use the highest numbers possible - it's just who they are. my point wasn't between i-5 and i-7, it was between 11/12/13 gen

Just pointing out ddr5 does scale well when the test is CPU limited. I mixed up threads I was responding in. As for the ddr5 vs ddr4 it was just a weird question from undying when 12600k on fast ddr4 in gear1 still beats 7600x, you can imagine people not bothering with ddr5. You limit your future upgrade options but the "here and now" cost of the upgrade is a lot cheaper if you can just use your current ram and a cheaper board. Your DDR5 upgrade path is limited on r7000 cpus too since theres a performance penalty when running over 6000mhz because of imc frequency.

cucaulay malkin:

Just pointing out ddr5 does scale well when the test is CPU limited. I mixed up threads I was responding in. As for the ddr5 vs ddr4 it was just a weird question from undying when 12600k on fast ddr4 in gear1 still beats 7600x, you can imagine people not bothering with ddr5. You limit your future upgrade options but the "here and now" cost of the upgrade is a lot cheaper if you can just use your current ram and a cheaper board. Your DDR5 upgrade path is limited on r7000 cpus too since theres a performance penalty when running over 6000mhz because of imc frequency.

In HU testing 7600x with 6000 memory was 5% faster than 13600k with 6400 so yeah you numbers are wrong. You are forgeting that am5 will support r8000 cpus and probably better imc and increase in ram freq.

Undying:

Its not that much cheaper than B650 and A620 boards are coming. With DDR4 idk who are this boards for. It has zero upgradability that platform.

I agree with you, but when people not passionated and just user (it mean most of the people), get an upgrade: they just buy a new complete computer... If i consider this, then, this board is quite nice for them.

HUB's tests are favorable to amd and overall they're useless if in their "cpu limited" test scenarios where even old ass 10700K does 150fps and 13 gen/7000 do almost 250fps. They're very unrealistic for cpu intensive open world games, where 13600k overtakes 7600/7700 easily. https://www.purepc.pl/test-procesorow-intel-core-i5-13600k-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600x-wiecej-rdzeni-i-swietna-wydajnosc-porownanie-w-grach-i-programach?page=0,53 https://www.purepc.pl/test-procesorow-intel-core-i5-13600k-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600x-wiecej-rdzeni-i-swietna-wydajnosc-porownanie-w-grach-i-programach?page=0,58 https://www.purepc.pl/test-procesorow-intel-core-i5-13600k-vs-amd-ryzen-5-7600x-wiecej-rdzeni-i-swietna-wydajnosc-porownanie-w-grach-i-programach?page=0,55 not to mention in HUB test that you quote, 13600K with 6400 is only 6% faster than 13600k with 3600 ddr4. use 4000 vs 6000 and they're the same. so back to your question of why use ddr4 - cause they're still good. and yes am5 will support higher imc frequencies, but with 12/13 gen you can oc those 6000mz sticks now and pull away from r7000 even more, if on same memory it's 15-25%, with mem oc it'll be 20-30%. https://www.purepc.pl/test-pamieci-ram-ddr5-corsair-dominator-platinum-rgb-7200-mhz-cl34-jaka-wydajnosc-z-procesorem-intel-core-i5-13600k?page=0,20

Computerbase show the same thing as ppc, 13600K on ddr4 3200 6% faster than 7600x on ddr5,12% on 3600 c14 ddr4. On 4000 (+25%) vs 6000 (+15%) the 13600k would do even better. HUB's tests are what you'd call best case cherry picked scenario for amd cpus/gpus, there is no other eplanation for them always obtaining very different results than other reputable sites. 13600K with oc'd hynix ddr5 blows 7600x out of the water, you don't even need that whole "upgrade path" if you can have 20-25% more performance now for similar system (cpu+board+ram) cost as z690 is a lot cheaper than x670/e. https://serving.photos.photobox.com/879163548f0f8eddfedb71061b05e89b83cbbeeec66f77eff35470d7fd9c8789effe64e3.jpg