MSI Outs Wallet Friendly Radeon RX 590 ARMOR

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I have an RX 580 Armor 8g and I used the exact same values which HH uses in his overclocking of the other RX 580 cards and I can say that I haven't had any issues with the stability of the card, so for me overall the Armor series is a great grab, especially for 190 euro, however I have my doubts if the 590 goes for more than 220.
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Yea at the current prices the 590 doesn't make sense but the 580 is a steal right now 260$cad befor taxes (+13%) where as the 590 is 370$cad
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It's cute... and no RGB Led 🙂
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Great card for 1080p gaming.
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Damn, that cooler looks tiny! I thought the RX 590's put off more heat than that?
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Ridiric:

Damn, that cooler looks tiny! I thought the RX 590's put off more heat than that?
it's the same than the RX 580 or the 1080 Ti armor that you can OC like hell with this cooler... it's just that now they put 3 slot cooler to put more RGB led... 🙂 More seriously, it's just a style to get a 3 slots cooler right now as the GPU have lot lower TDP than in the past were we used lot smaller cooler in single or dual at max. (OK i remember that i used to have my 280 GTX at around 90°C but it work fine and for a long time).
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icedman:

Yea at the current prices the 590 doesn't make sense but the 580 is a steal right now 260$cad befor taxes (+13%) where as the 590 is 370$cad
same here...
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considering most 590's are 259 (US not sure eur) on newegg... asrock, sapphire, xfx, power color since dec the only one higher has been the asus ROG for 309
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580 can be found at 180€, overclock it and you get same performance.
#5635929
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MSI is selling crappy AMD cards, with basic cooling solution. They only put efford in NVIDIA cards, because of the GPP. Don't give me the bűllçrąp that it doesn't exist.... because MSI and Gigabyte do proove it does.
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AMDfan:

MSI is selling crappy AMD cards, with basic cooling solution.
I never noticed until you mentioned it now. Somehow I feel like they used to have the regular (better) models out of Polaris and Vega, but maybe I'm just imagining it? But then again, ever since the mining craze ended, it feels like over here shops made some underhanded decision to shun AMD and concentrate on Nvidia. One of the biggest PC hardware web stores/chains (although they sell other home electronics and stuff as well) has gone as far as practically ceased to sell AMD video cards at all. No idea if they intend to come back when Navi launches, I hope so.
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BlackZero:

It takes two seconds of looking to work out the quality of the fan assembly. Sadly, this appears to be the case with a number of designs these days. So, unless you're willing to pay for the extreme high end models, sticking to reference may be the best solution often times.
To have used Armor solution it is the same PCB, fan (since the issue with lower quality one for the 1st Armor ) and rad than the Gaming, it is just low cost not fancy design outside and no LED. And yes sometime "Gaming go go LED 12 fan" cooling is sometime worse than reference design. 🙂 (Cooling is not compatible with fan for me 🙂 )
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AMDfan:

MSI is selling crappy AMD cards, with basic cooling solution. They only put efford in NVIDIA cards, because of the GPP. Don't give me the bűllçrąp that it doesn't exist.... because MSI and Gigabyte do proove it does.
Did you really have to make the same post 3 times? Also since when is the Armor cooler a bad cooling solution?
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vbetts:

Did you really have to make the same post 3 times? Also since when is the Armor cooler a bad cooling solution?
Its not bad i think. I heard its the old frozr cooler. Still, it does look cheap compared to gaming x/z.
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That's the 1080, which is a higher end card. Polaris as far as heat goes is very easy to manage plus Radeon Chill on top of it.
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vbetts:

That's the 1080, which is a higher end card. Polaris as far as heat goes is very easy to manage plus Radeon Chill on top of it.
Its not that easy really. Polaris can pull 220W for the gpu alone. My huge triple slot Aorus xtr cooler at 50% cpu fan speed is getting 70c on the core and up to 80c on the vrms with 580 clocked to 1500mhz/1.2v.
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Undying:

Its not that easy really. Polaris can pull 220W for the gpu alone. My huge triple slot Aorus xtr cooler at 50% cpu fan speed is getting 70c on the core and up to 80c on the vrms with 580 clocked to 1500mhz/1.2v.
Damn, that's high! I know the first release of 480's weren't too horrible with power draw.
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vbetts:

Damn, that's high! I know the first release of 480's weren't too horrible with power draw.
if you undervolt it and use stock clocks its like you said easy to menage, around 120-140W but i like to unleash it and overclock it. 😉
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Undying:

Its not that easy really. Polaris can pull 220W for the gpu alone. My huge triple slot Aorus xtr cooler at 50% cpu fan speed is getting 70c on the core and up to 80c on the vrms with 580 clocked to 1500mhz/1.2v.
Undying:

if you undervolt it and use stock clocks its like you said easy to menage, around 120-140W but i like to unleash it and overclock it. 😉
That last 100MHz is not really worth it. Me, running it on 1400MHz even while stock was 1411MHz. 1.05V, cool, quiet, power efficient. Polaris10 was designed with IMC adequate for same GPU running at around 1200MHz. Memory bandwidth did not really improve much since then unless manually tweaked. And now with AMD's wattman doing its own timing tweak which is worse than manual setting done by user... If Polaris 20/30 was paired with faster memory or additional memory chips (IMC redesign) to increase bandwidth, it would be reasonable to OC GPU to max. = = = = I have high hopes for chiplet GPU design with I/O hub and separate IMC. As that would fix issue New Polaris revisions face with inefficient GPU OC. Working cores would remain same, but IMC which would be external would allow for being larger/smaller depending on needs. (Similar way Zen2 deals with IMC.)

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