Infinite Price, Limited Frames. Good thing of pre-built gaming PCs is probably warranty and less time troubleshooting damn thing. PC not turning on? Send whole thing back to MSI and get replacement. EDIT : Non-K 7700. Even less possibilities. The only reason you buy Intel CPU is to overclock it for gaming. Ryzen system would be so much better comparing to this, and probably cheaper. PSU is bare minimum....

Good thing of pre-built gaming PCs is probably warranty and less time troubleshooting damn thing. The only reason you buy Intel CPU is to overclock it for gaming. Ryzen system would be so much better comparing to this

Sounds like you spend too much time troubleshooting. People that buy pre-built "gamer" PC's aren't into overclocking. The reason you buy Intel is because it outperforms AMD at the same price WITHOUT overclocking. Unless your "games" consist of Cinebench and Handbrake, you'll have a much better experience with an Intel based system. Ryzen is fine for the pre-built "gamer" PC market though, where it's all about price you're dealing with a less informed market.

And I thought I was bad with a 1080ti and a 650w PSU

Sounds like you spend too much time troubleshooting. People that buy pre-built "gamer" PC's aren't into overclocking. The reason you buy Intel is because it outperforms AMD at the same price WITHOUT overclocking. Unless your "games" consist of Cinebench and Handbrake, you'll have a much better experience with an Intel based system. Ryzen is fine for the pre-built "gamer" PC market though, where it's all about price you're dealing with a less informed market.

You are right about performance. However there more difference favoring Intel once overclocked.

Well, in the internet age, you could argue that once such a system is "aging", then, (normal) people will look for ways to get more performance out of their systems without spending any/much money. Overclocking is the obvious first thing people will find.

Was recently in the market for a laptop was looking at AW, MSI, HP and Asus. MSI was the most expensive out of all of them even AlienWare. I ended up going Asus as they just offered more for my money. For the price of a 15.3" 7700hq/1060 6GB 120hz TN G-sync MSI laptop I got a 17.2" 7700hq 1070 8GB 75Hz IPS g-sync laptop. The MSI tax is going strong.

Infinite Price, Limited Frames. Good thing of pre-built gaming PCs is probably warranty and less time troubleshooting damn thing. PC not turning on? Send whole thing back to MSI and get replacement. EDIT : Non-K 7700. Even less possibilities. The only reason you buy Intel CPU is to overclock it for gaming. Ryzen system would be so much better comparing to this, and probably cheaper. PSU is bare minimum....

Lmao-Tell em brother!:)