I rated this news as awesome because Microsoft have been a very unproductive company as of late. I'm sure this is just the tip of the turning iceberg for this phatass greedy pigdog company.

I rated this news as awesome because Microsoft have been a very unproductive company as of late. I'm sure this is just the tip of the turning iceberg for this phatass greedy pigdog company.

What a useless post based on made up info. Also, I wonder what exactly went wrong. It's a lot of money. I was considering getting a Surface Pro myself, but the absurd prices in EU scared me off. Yoga 2 Pro is way cheaper (still kinda expensive), and it seems to be a more complete product.

The Surface just doesn't have mass market appeal - and they have been marketing the device to business users, and they don't care about it. Tablets rule, because they have the number one most powerful application known to exist: the web browser. Majority of apps people use are simply modified versions of a companies web page. The fact M$ don't get this, is shocking and shows a total and utter lack of understanding about the computer world anno 2014

The pricing of Surface and Surface Pro isn't helping. My local Bestbuy only sells the Surface and Surface Pro Windows tablet models and they're priced $400-600 for Surface and $700-$1000 for Surface Pro. You can buy a better spec'd laptop for less than a Surface Pro, which deters a lot of customers from buying. An equivalent Android tablet can be had for $200-$300, which is a better value for tablet shoppers than a Surface running WinRT. MS is just too greedy for Surface or Surface Pro to ever make a real impact on the tablet market. I was in the market for a new laptop last summer and was considering a Surface Pro until I found I could get a laptop for $400-$600 LESS with better specs....

Although it looks cool like hell, I see no real practice use for Surface. For now it's just used as a showcase, and it's way to expensive for that

The pricing of Surface and Surface Pro isn't helping. My local Bestbuy only sells the Surface and Surface Pro Windows tablet models and they're priced $400-600 for Surface and $700-$1000 for Surface Pro. You can buy a better spec'd laptop for less than a Surface Pro, which deters a lot of customers from buying. An equivalent Android tablet can be had for $200-$300, which is a better value for tablet shoppers than a Surface running WinRT. MS is just too greedy for Surface or Surface Pro to ever make a real impact on the tablet market. I was in the market for a new laptop last summer and was considering a Surface Pro until I found I could get a laptop for $400-$600 LESS with better specs....

I think it all comes down to price. You can say Microsoft is greedy or whatever, but honestly having used a lot of $500-600 Windows laptops, the Surface 2, let alone the 3 is significantly better then anything around it's price range. It's by far the most usable tablet in terms of being productive. Most people don't want to pay $1000 for that though, no matter how good the experience is.

What a useless post based on made up info. Also, I wonder what exactly went wrong. It's a lot of money. I was considering getting a Surface Pro myself, but the absurd prices in EU scared me off. Yoga 2 Pro is way cheaper (still kinda expensive), and it seems to be a more complete product.

You mostly answer your own "wondering" - price & performance. The Surface is not superior to its counterparts. Dell & Lenovo offer very competitive hardware for less or the same. Furthermore, the Surface does NOT have a real keyboard unless purchased separately which is another $100+. The Surface is quite heavy as a tablet and is not something someone can work on in their lap with a standard keyboard. When I'm in the airport or on the go working on a project or sending email - I want a real keyboard. I love my tablet as a complimentary media device, but it does NOT replace my laptop when working. Even when I'm in the office, my associates and I are NOT walking around with tablets everywhere we go, especially as heavy as the Surface is. The Surface is another instance where MS is no longer innovative and simply fails to understand what users actually want & use.

I think it all comes down to price. You can say Microsoft is greedy or whatever, but honestly having used a lot of $500-600 Windows laptops, the Surface 2, let alone the 3 is significantly better then anything around it's price range. It's by far the most usable tablet in terms of being productive. Most people don't want to pay $1000 for that though, no matter how good the experience is.

The Surface is incredibly powerful for a tablet, but it's heavy, does not come equipped with a real keyboard, and pricier than the competition which is lighter and comes with a real keyboard. Tablets are great, convenient media devices. My associates and I all still prefer real keyboards when actually working. No one sits at their desk working on a 10" tablet with some convertible keyboard b/c it's cool, trendy, and convertible. We have desktops & laptops for serious work; some use tablets to manage simple email when out of the office, but in no way do they replace ANYTHING. When we looked at the Surface the conclusion was simple - it costs more to do the same amount of work and less convenient; it's impossible to use a real keyboard & the foldout attachment is another $100 and cannot be used in someone's lap with the keyboard. We let associates try them out, and no one wanted it citing everything I already mentioned.

Also another problem with the Surface Pro lineup is you can get them 2 in one tablets that doubles up as a tablet and a laptop like the one Lenovo sells for around 400-600 bucks and cheaper if they have sales. Also you can get one of them Ultrabook laptops too for about the same price as the Surface pro with similar specs.

I'm not surprised by this.. the surface 3 is what the surface 1 should have been.. it took MS way too long and they spent way too much money marketing and manufacturing a tablet that was too costly and not unique, powerful, or profitable enough. Not to mention that many people really don't care for metro UI in general, as well as the costly peripherals. I purchased several of them for our office purely for game dev testing, and along with it was asked to get a couple of the keyboards.. how shocked was I to see a simple keyboard (not the flat one, but the one with keys) to cost $125? Are you F***ing kidding me? MS is clearly out of touch with the market and these numbers reflect just that.

I'm not surprised by this.. the surface 3 is what the surface 1 should have been.. it took MS way too long and they spent way too much money marketing and manufacturing a tablet that was too costly and not unique, powerful, or profitable enough. Not to mention that many people really don't care for metro UI in general, as well as the costly peripherals. I purchased several of them for our office purely for game dev testing, and along with it was asked to get a couple of the keyboards.. how shocked was I to see a simple keyboard (not the flat one, but the one with keys) to cost $125? Are you F***ing kidding me? MS is clearly out of touch with the market and these numbers reflect just that.

I totally agree I mean look at the xbox360 and how many revisions they went through to get that right.

Didn't give a damn about all that stuff, so actually I'm not feeling anything towards it not selling. But I am kind of chuckling that Microsoft seems to have a bit of a problem understanding what users want... windows phone doesn't help much for phone sales I'm afraid with android and iphones still selling strong, tablets with windows rt and the surface in particular looking to not really help them either, windows 8 receiving lots of criticism for it's desktop-unfriendly politics... what has ms done recently that affected me, personally? cut support for win xp... and that's not really a plus.

I'm not surprised by this.. the surface 3 is what the surface 1 should have been.. it took MS way too long and they spent way too much money marketing and manufacturing a tablet that was too costly and not unique, powerful, or profitable enough. Not to mention that many people really don't care for metro UI in general, as well as the costly peripherals. I purchased several of them for our office purely for game dev testing, and along with it was asked to get a couple of the keyboards.. how shocked was I to see a simple keyboard (not the flat one, but the one with keys) to cost $125? Are you F***ing kidding me? MS is clearly out of touch with the market and these numbers reflect just that.

That's absurd, is that the only keyboard you can use with it?

That's absurd, is that the only keyboard you can use with it?

No. It has a USB port and Bluetooth.

I rated this news as awesome because Microsoft have been a very unproductive company as of late. I'm sure this is just the tip of the turning iceberg for this phatass greedy pigdog company.

And yet you're probably using Windows.

And yet you're probably using Windows.

They should stick to software, I don't remember buying microsoft hardware (except Xbox). Because they are a software company and everytime they make hardware it seems so disconnected from consumers. They are are as corporate as corporations get.

I rated this news as awesome because Microsoft have been a very unproductive company as of late. I'm sure this is just the tip of the turning iceberg for this phatass greedy pigdog company.

Thats a pretty messed up attitude :3eyes: I'm not entirely convinced that the figures given are even slightly accurate :P

Add that to their portfolio of 'impressive' achievements. PC games: Games For Windows Lies API: DX hand forced by Mantle OS: Windows 8.X flop, Linux growing Console: 'next gen' 720p machine lost to PS4 Phone: Who wants a Windows phone? MS you not looking so good...

I'm not really up-to-date on the subject, but I think M$ is making most of it's proFits(tm, not really) from android-related patents?

Add that to their portfolio of 'impressive' achievements. PC games: Games For Windows Lies API: DX hand forced by Mantle OS: Windows 8.X flop, Linux growing Console: 'next gen' 720p machine lost to PS4 Phone: Who wants a Windows phone? MS you not looking so good...

totaly true but recent change look like a 360° change OS: change in win9 look in the good way Console: new prices (console and game) make it more attractive (last month XBone sale haven't slow down, as it used to be in summer time PS4 sale do (but it is not alarming it is normal)). Phone: they go more and more on Android market and despite 1st version where... hmmm... not so good... latest version of Androids stuff are ok to very good. About linux growing: once you go to the dark side you never come back 🙂 when you see that even Apple/Linux comunity grow... (ok i :kiss: linux lol)

Add that to their portfolio of 'impressive' achievements. PC games: Games For Windows Lies API: DX hand forced by Mantle OS: Windows 8.X flop, Linux growing Console: 'next gen' 720p machine lost to PS4 Phone: Who wants a Windows phone? MS you not looking so good...

... DX hand being forced by Mantle? You mean by OpenGL? where multiple devs, notably Valve, have talked about low overhead -- metal access for a few years now? Not to mention that MS showed Forza running DX12 like literally 3 months after Mantle shipped? So obviously they were working on it concurrently as Mantle was developed. Games for Windows? Who even cares about that. I highly doubt that being successful would drive any real sales growth. Linux is growing because Android is growing and the market is shifting towards mobile. Windows 8 could have literally been the best thing since sliced bread for desktops and they would still lose marketshare. The Console part is the only one I'll agree with. They ****ed up on the Xbox One, not for hardware, but for price and miss judging what the market wanted. I would argue that Windows Phone 8.1 is the best OS from a technical standpoint out of all of them. They obviously need better marketing and more apps but the OS itself is easily the smoothest, best looking and most intuitive out of the box. Also Microsoft just recently switched CEO's and the new one is obviously shaking things up a bit. Peter Bright recently posted an article over at ars highlighting some of the changes they've been making. It's a good read. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/08/how-microsoft-dragged-its-development-practices-into-the-21st-century/ And for all the negatives you posted, here are some positives: Xbox Live Windows Azure Office 365 Sharepoint Android Licensing All new billion dollar+ additions to Microsoft, all in the last 5 years. Microsoft is looking fine.