Leaked Benchmarks Indicate IPC Rocket Lake-S to be slower than AMD Ryzen 5000

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#5898199
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SeriousSkeletor:

Still... ryzen 5950X cost $1,199.99. 16 cores. It's ridiculously expensive...
The 5950X has 16 cores and 32 threads. That's double of what the 11900K has. The 5800X has the same 8C16T, but costs less than 11990K. And has better IPC.
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tty8k:

Last night I helped a friend assemble his budget upgrade. 10700k - €290 , msi z490 a-pro €149, 16GB Crucial 3200 CL16 €79, Noctua D15 €79 An absolute steal for the money. 5GHz all core @ 1.28v, Mem @ 3600 CL 14 1.38v Maximum power draw 180W in Blender 3D / Cinebench , temp 75C on Noctua D15 It's just an price/perf offer that AMD can't beat at the moment.
That is a nice system but it would not be possible if intel didnt start loosing cpu race and become a budget champ.
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tty8k:

Last night I helped a friend assemble his budget upgrade. 10700k - €290 , msi z490 a-pro €149, 16GB Crucial 3200 CL16 €79, Noctua D15 €79 An absolute steal for the money. 5GHz all core @ 1.28v, Mem @ 3600 CL 14 1.38v Maximum power draw 180W in Blender 3D / Cinebench , temp 75C on Noctua D15 It's just an price/perf offer that AMD can't beat at the moment.
That is a good setup, nice choices ! I almost did the same and went for the 10600k which one store in the UK had at a really good price. And the overclocking is proper overclocking not tweaking like on the latest Zen 3 too eek out some Mhz. Having said that I actually went 5800 AMD as I wanted the PCIe4 and quite fancied trying something different to learn about AMD again. My last AMD cpu was a K7 athlon type thing with a VIA chipset ! It's good that we have two choices now and you can make arguments for both 😀 We need to burn the die hard fanboys at the stake ... it's all about your wallet and what you need and bang for buck...
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tty8k:

Last night I helped a friend assemble his budget upgrade. 10700k - €290 , msi z490 a-pro €149, 16GB Crucial 3200 CL16 €79, Noctua D15 €79 An absolute steal for the money. 5GHz all core @ 1.28v, Mem @ 3600 CL 14 1.38v Maximum power draw 180W in Blender 3D / Cinebench , temp 75C on Noctua D15 It's just an price/perf offer that AMD can't beat at the moment.
Not so sure about this. 3900x is around 420EUR and you could use a cheaper motherboard. I think I'd rather pay a little more and go 12 core AMD last gen
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kakiharaFRS:

and I've got a 3090...nobody cares what a handful of people managed to get, what matters is what potential customers can actually buy now in regular retail all over the world and 5900-5950x don't exist just like my gpu
Uh... 3090 is not the problem. I could order one immediately and get it in a couple of days from the store's own stock. I could even choose from several models. It's everything below the 3090 that's nonexistent outside of miners' caves and a few lucky real people here and there. 5900X at least seems to be flowing in in understandable, if low, numbers, though you'd need to queue for it. It's not like the video cards that are shipped from the factories straight into miners' hands, aside from a side trickle that retailers all over the world are fighting over, like a pack of starving vultures.
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Undying:

This is why amd can charge premium for their cpus.
Apparently the premium is also due to the wafer shortage for everyone, no more discounts for big customers like AMD.
Horus-Anhur:

Seems like filler in Intel's product line. For most people, it's best to wait for Alder Lake at the end of the year.
Completely agree. Rocket Lake is almost useless.
Undying:

That is a nice system but it would not be possible if intel didnt start loosing cpu race and become a budget champ.
I don´t see a problem with that, we need a budget option, specially on the GPU side...
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tty8k:

Last night I helped a friend assemble his budget upgrade. 10700k - €290 , msi z490 a-pro €149, 16GB Crucial 3200 CL16 €79, Noctua D15 €79 An absolute steal for the money. 5GHz all core @ 1.28v, Mem @ 3600 CL 14 1.38v Maximum power draw 180W in Blender 3D / Cinebench , temp 75C on Noctua D15 It's just an price/perf offer that AMD can't beat at the moment.
The fact that your friend got a lucky draw with mems and cpu and had a friend that helped him set it up, that does not mean this is the standard intel offering. 10700k is indeed a great cpu for 290 eur, and you should not get above that for gaming probably. But the same can probably be said for the 3800x
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H83:

Completely agree. Rocket Lake is almost useless.
Indeed, I'm a little shocked that people haven't read up on these chips. They're older Ice Lake CPU dies with the new Xe iGPU attached, which is why they only have 8 cores. In other words, this is still the 10nm "Tick" cpu, despite the fact that it's been almost 2 years since they launched it. It's pretty proven that first chips built on a new process from Intel never turn out well, it's better to save your money and wait.
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nizzen:

Well, my 11700k doesn't have any problems to be cooled with 360 radiator with silent fans.... I guess people that don't have it, has the most problems with Rocketlake LOL
Whereas you could cool a Zen 3 chip with a Noctua or other mid-high end heatsink and still get the same low noise at a fraction of the expense...
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BLEH!:

Whereas you could cool a Zen 3 chip with a Noctua or other mid-high end heatsink and still get the same low noise at a fraction of the expense...
There is no problems with 11700k an Noctua. So your point is?
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Horus-Anhur:

The 5950X has 16 cores and 32 threads. That's double of what the 11900K has. The 5800X has the same 8C16T, but costs less than 11990K. And has better IPC.
11700kf is 22% cheaper than 5800x 🙂 Atleast here in Norway. 4100kr VS 5000kr. 11700kf runs about ~5.1ghz all core and 5800x runs about ~4600mhz all core. Who will win in price/performance in gaming? Time will show 🙂 PS: I don't know a good reason for buying a 8 core in 2021, so actually I don't care about Rocketlake. I'm just testing 11700k and 11900k for fun 😀
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dead in the water at those prices.only advantage is pcie4.I'd pay a 10% premium for that,but no way I'm paying 30% over 10th gen. either go for 10th gen i7/i9,they're selling cheap,or wait for lga1700. amd can keep selling r5000 at those prices for the desperate.
nizzen:

11700kf is 22% cheaper than 5800x 🙂 Atleast here in Norway. 4100kr VS 5000kr.
almost 35% here. 1350 vs 2050. 66% of the price btw 4100 is 18% less than 5000.it's enough to make you reconsider cause 5800x is better.
nizzen:

Who will win in price/performance in gaming? Time will show 🙂
well 5800x is not 30% faster.more like a couple of percent.so you know the answer.
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If RL fails to beat Zen 3 in games, can we call Intel a liar?
nizzen:

11700kf is 22% cheaper than 5800x 🙂 Atleast here in Norway. 4100kr VS 5000kr. 11700kf runs about ~5.1ghz all core and 5800x runs about ~4600mhz all core. Who will win in price/performance in gaming? Time will show 🙂 PS: I don't know a good reason for buying a 8 core in 2021, so actually I don't care about Rocketlake. I'm just testing 11700k and 11900k for fun 😀
5600X is very close to the 10700 in multithread applications. Check results. If the 11700 is slower than the 10700, than the 5600X is even closer to it. And in games, the 5600X is expected to beat the 11700. Stock cooler included vs. no cooler. B450 much cheaper than B560.
nizzen:

well 5800x is not 30% faster.more like a couple of percent.so you know the answer.
I hope you told the same when 1000, 2000 and 3000 series launched and Intel was much more expensive and only giving 5-6% in FHD gaming with the actual top-tier GPU.
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nizzen:

11700kf is 22% cheaper than 5800x 🙂 Atleast here in Norway. 4100kr VS 5000kr. 11700kf runs about ~5.1ghz all core and 5800x runs about ~4600mhz all core. Who will win in price/performance in gaming? Time will show 🙂 PS: I don't know a good reason for buying a 8 core in 2021, so actually I don't care about Rocketlake. I'm just testing 11700k and 11900k for fun 😀
5800X from AMD directly with stock, 3800kr https://www.amd.com/de/direct-buy/de
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nizzen:

11900k will do about 5.3ghz+ all core (11700k does already do 5.1-5.3 all core) and 5950x does about 4.6 all core. That's the difference. 8 core in 2021 is epic fail though...
With brute force yeah 4.6 all core is "normal" but is the low end considering that many with AIO getting 5.05 all core to 5.1 2-core
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you don't need to be an expert to figure this out
#5898358
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kapu:

You can run to WHEA with crappy dram modlues pretty fast with OC. I get WHEA above 1933 FCLK. Get good 3600 KIT. ENABLE PBO. Don't play with curve optimizer too much. You are good. You won't get much performance above that . The cost and risk of instablity is GREATER than GAIN.
I never had a good experience with FSB overclocking, with the only exception being the Celeron 300A.

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