Intel's Second-Gen Battlemage and Third-Generation Celestial GPUs to Launch in 2024 and 2026, made by TSMC
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Crazy Joe
So by the time that they launch Battlemage, both AMD and NVIDIA will have announced, or at least leaked information about, their next generation of GPU architecture. Sounds like Intel is still playing catch-up in the consumer space.
H83
2024 only? That seems too late...
moo100times
So much for Intels own new node declaration if TSMC is making both of these.
JamesSneed
They will not be competing on the highest end that is for sure. The feature set should be fairly complete so it's mostly performance which of course pricing dictates where they land. This is extremely difficult and frankly nobody, but Intel stands a chance of competing against Nvidia let alone AMD in the GPU space. I wish them the best of luck and I suspect they will end up better off than most think however it will take them until celestial to really compete.
abula
Look, Nvidia has forgotten about the value market, its trying to increase all brackets each generation, and AMD is not battling, is simply undercutting slightly. Intel is not in a position to compete, their tech is not up to par to Nvidia/AMD, at least their drivers are not, but they are making good improvements, my guess is that battlemage and celestial will come late to whatever Nvidia/AMD releases, but if Intel focus on value market for this two gens, they can take what Nvidia/AMD are not interested, and continue developing their drivers and their tech, probably by 2028 they might have a shot into releasing something to compete with Nvidia and AMD, and then Nvidia dictates the pricing and the other two slightly undercuts... and this will be our life from now on.
Embra
Right now there is a huge gap in the affordable low to to mid range GPUs. Intel could be a boon for those customers if the keep the prices reasonable. That's all the really need to do right now. I know we would all love to see a third party making high end, I just do not think that is realistic, least not in the near future.
I feel gaming on PCs isjust going to be more expensive. Games are adding too many high end features that are making lower end gaming not as enjoyable. Might as go with a console at this point.
sykozis
Intel has only released 1 generation of graphics cards. Of course they're still playing catch up. It takes time to enter a new market and become properly competitive across a range of products. Nobody with any sense expects Intel to release anything that can compete directly with NVidia's "high-end" cards before Celestial at the earliest.
They just released Arc..... Even NVidia and AMD are on at least a 2-year cadence. Why should Intel be any different? They need time to figure out how to fix their architecture and implement the changes.
H83
True, but since they are so behind Nvidia and AMD, i was hoping for an yearly cadence to catch up them, at least for the first 3/5 years.
I guess i expected too much of them.
sykozis
It takes time to find and correct flaws in hardware. Especially when you're talking about an entirely new architecture for a market you've never actually competed in. An accelerated roadmap would be a huge misstep. Their focus right now should be on releasing a competitive product in the entry-level, budget and mainstream markets. They're competitive with the 3060 and 6600, so they really aren't that far behind. They didn't release a product targeting NVidia's or AMD's top range. I would expect their next release to include a card targeting the next series up but they need to reduce power consumption a bit.
Crazy Joe
With Intel's current profit problems it also just might be that they decide not to try and compete in the consumer space and solely concentrate their efforts in the data center space. The profit margins there are much more in line with what Intel wants to get for their efforts. The consumer space will be a loss leader for the foreseeable future as Intel is using zero or below zero margins in order to gain market share. And that strategy doesn't seem to work at the moment either.
I'm not sure that Pat Gelsinger will be able to maintain that strategy with the current huge losses that Intel is incurring. The shareholders and investors might force his hand.
Astyanax
Intel only has gains to be found by sticking to consumer GPUs
Considering they got a 3070/3060 grade chip out the gate on their first try, means they have what it takes to do better with a bigger chip.
user1
more delays, people are forgetting the first xe^1 gpu that shipped was on tigerlake which hit retail in late 2020, so essentially this means a 3 year - 4 year gap between architectures, I suspect the delay has to do with intel being unable to fab on their 4n(formerly intel 7). by the time xe^2 ships , its quite likely rdna 4 and blackwell will be shipping.
not looking good.
Astyanax
Iris Max has no relation to Alchemist.
user1
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/introducing-discrete-graphics-brand-intel-arc.html
"no relation"
from intel's materials
xe^1 = 12th gen , including low power(iris max/alderlake igp), datacentre(arctic sound,ponte vecchio) and consumer variants(alchemist)
speculation:
xe^2 = presumably 13th gen, lp(meteor lake igp?), hp, hpc, hpg(battlemage)
Valken
Need more competition especially working RTRT GPUs... If you guys do not want to sell off your car, house, kidneys and wives, then you need Intel to join the GPU game. The more the better...
Crazy Joe
Yes, but they are selling these things at a loss. You can't keep doing that if you are making negative profit on your current offerings. The only way for Intel to keep pushing GPUs at this price point is if they either manage to produce them cheaper or have another product to offset the negative income from these GPU's. Since the current market for CPUs is also depressed at the moment (one of the reasons that Intel's profits are negative at the moment), just keep on pouring money into GPU development and selling them at a loss isn't a strategy investors will tolerate for long!
Brasky
Everyone on here should be cheering and jumping for joy there is another company jumping into the GPU arena as it's going to make things better and cheaper. Did most of you skip economics/marketing in school?
0blivious
As the only company with reasonable GPU prices, I look forward to it. This might be my next upgrade.
