Intel Z399 the new successor of X299?

#5590693

sverek

2018-10-01 08:48

AMD trolling Intel hard with model naming.

#5590696

HWgeek

2018-10-01 09:13

OMG - Intel had support for 22 cores even on X99: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/X99E_WSUSB_31/HelpDesk_CPU/ So whats new? Refresh after refresh with frequency bump.

#5590717

Solfaur

2018-10-01 11:03

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#5590719

SmootyPoody

2018-10-01 11:06

HWgeek:

OMG - Intel had support for 22 cores even on X99: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/X99E_WSUSB_31/HelpDesk_CPU/ So whats new? Refresh after refresh with frequency bump.

or simply put.. They dont see any need for 22+ cores.. Only AMD making them because it sounds ridiculous - which it is - so they get free advertising in many forums because AMD fanboys talk so loudly about it. But who uses it. Sure.. there are a few in between with us in these forums.. but in reality we are only a little part of the overall customer base.

#5590732

H83

2018-10-01 12:33

Another chipset??? I thought the X299 was supposed to last 2 or 3 generations... Intel is creating a giant mess with the continuous release of unnecessary chipsets just for the sake of money... And aggravating their customers in the process, me included...

#5590733

Kaarme

2018-10-01 12:33

SmootyPoody:

or simply put.. They dont see any need for 22+ cores.. Only AMD making them because it sounds ridiculous - which it is - so they get free advertising in many forums because AMD fanboys talk so loudly about it. But who uses it. Sure.. there are a few in between with us in these forums.. but in reality we are only a little part of the overall customer base.

I see you aren't familiar with the Ryzen technology. AMD can make Threadrippers very easily by manufacturing small chips and gluing them together (figuratively speaking) to produce a HEDT CPU. Intel currently needs to compete with error-prone mammoth chips it would rather sell as super expensive Xeons. If I were you, I wouldn't try to decide for others if what they need or want is ridiculous or not.

#5590755

fellix

2018-10-01 13:52

H83:

Another chipset??? I thought the X299 was supposed to last 2 or 3 generations... Intel is creating a giant mess with the continuous release of unnecessary chipsets just for the sake of money... And aggravating their customers in the process, me included...

Yep, it was speculated that X299 will get the short stick on future CPU support. I mean, there are still X79 boards manufactured by some OEMs in China, often sold on AliExpress or TaoBao in a bundle with pre-mounted Xeon processor.

#5590788

schmidtbag

2018-10-01 15:36

And yeah, that naming does conflict a little with AMD chipsets lately eh?

I would argue the opposite. As much as I like to blame Intel for causing conflicts and using terrible naming schemes, I'd say AMD is the one causing a problem here. All that being said... despite AMD mucking the chipset naming schemes, Intel is also creating a mess regarding chipsets. Both companies are causing a problem here.

#5590791

reix2x

2018-10-01 15:50

SmootyPoody:

or simply put.. They dont see any need for 22+ cores.. Only AMD making them because it sounds ridiculous - which it is - so they get free advertising in many forums because AMD fanboys talk so loudly about it. But who uses it. Sure.. there are a few in between with us in these forums.. but in reality we are only a little part of the overall customer base.

I use CPU rendering and believe me SmootyPoody, i need as many cores as i can get, you can check Corona renderer benchmark in this same page, that's the render engine that i use the most.. threadripper 2 just obliterate it! i would love to see Intel hi core count CPUs in the TR2 price range...

#5590796

H83

2018-10-01 15:58

schmidtbag:

I would argue the opposite. As much as I like to blame Intel for causing conflicts and using terrible naming schemes, I'd say AMD is the one causing a problem here. All that being said... despite AMD mucking the chipset naming schemes, Intel is also creating a mess regarding chipsets. Both companies are causing a problem here.

Starting with Ryzen AMD decided to copy the naming scheme of Intel and it makes sense from a marketing POV. AMD realized the influence of Intel´s brand power over normal consumers and decided that with a similar one it would be easier for people to understand what AMD products are offering. I would prefer something different from Intel but i can´t critize AMD for this.

#5590813

schmidtbag

2018-10-01 16:20

H83:

Starting with Ryzen AMD decided to copy the naming scheme of Intel and it makes sense from a marketing POV. AMD realized the influence of Intel´s brand power over normal consumers and decided that with a similar one it would be easier for people to understand what AMD products are offering. I would prefer something different from Intel but i can´t critize AMD for this.

I completely agree with the first part, but why should Intel change their ways when AMD copied them?

#5590824

SamuelL421

2018-10-01 16:41

H83:

Starting with Ryzen AMD decided to copy the naming scheme of Intel and it makes sense from a marketing POV. AMD realized the influence of Intel´s brand power over normal consumers and decided that with a similar one it would be easier for people to understand what AMD products are offering. I would prefer something different from Intel but i can´t critize AMD for this.

It's been going on long before Ryzen, but you've got it right. Years ago Intel differentiated processors by the line and the speed, "Pentium 3, 1ghz" or "Pentium 4, 2.5 ghz". At the time AMD was faster, clock for clock, so they labeled their comparable processor like this: Pentium 4 2.8ghz = Athlon XP 2800 (actually 2.1ghz...). Can't knock AMD for leveraging names that help draw comparison to Intel (market leader) products. Now what would be interesting to see: if AMD starts the next naming trend. We are a long way off from that now, but assuming rumors/predictions on Intel 14vs10nm and Zen 2 are remotely true, entirely possible that AMD could be the market leader whose product names get copied

#5590859

H83

2018-10-01 18:00

schmidtbag:

I completely agree with the first part, but why should Intel change their ways when AMD copied them?

Well i didn´t wrote (directly) that Intel should change their naming ways although i think they should. Their naming conventions have lost all their meaning, like what the hell are the I3/5/7/9 supposed to mean??? They don´t indicate core counts, features or speeds, they only indicate that higher is better and more expensive...

#5590870

schmidtbag

2018-10-01 18:17

H83:

Well i didn´t wrote (directly) that Intel should change their naming ways although i think they should. Their naming conventions have lost all their meaning, like what the hell are the I3/5/7/9 supposed to mean??? They don´t indicate core counts, features or speeds, they only indicate that higher is better and more expensive...

Ah I see what you mean now. I would agree with this.

#5590884

BangTail

2018-10-01 18:52

Just release the damn thing already :P

#5590897

GenClaymore

2018-10-01 19:16

Not really worried at all, since I have no plans of switching my 7800x for those new processors any way, happy with what i have.But I'm sure they would release an new bios update to add the support of them to existing X299 chipset any way.

#5591066

HWgeek

2018-10-02 08:01

austin865a:

Wait, what? I thought it was going to be x599?

That gonna be for the 28 core "Xeon" processors with the big socket. Poor Inte's AIB partners, they must have Inventory nightmare.

#5591129

SmootyPoody

2018-10-02 12:14

Kaarme:

I see you aren't familiar with the Ryzen technology. AMD can make Threadrippers very easily by manufacturing small chips and gluing them together (figuratively speaking) to produce a HEDT CPU. Intel currently needs to compete with error-prone mammoth chips it would rather sell as super expensive Xeons. If I were you, I wouldn't try to decide for others if what they need or want is ridiculous or not.

Sure. I never said it wasn´t easy to make. It is.. But my comment has nothing to do with how easy it is to make. ;-)

reix2x:

I use CPU rendering and believe me SmootyPoody, i need as many cores as i can get, you can check Corona renderer benchmark in this same page, that's the render engine that i use the most.. threadripper 2 just obliterate it! i would love to see Intel hi core count CPUs in the TR2 price range...

Yes. For you it is great 🙂 As I said, some needs it.. A few.. But 99% dont need 22+ cores.

#5591167

Kaarme

2018-10-02 14:26

SmootyPoody:

Sure. I never said it wasn´t easy to make. It is.. But my comment has nothing to do with how easy it is to make. ;-)

If it's easy to make and there's a market for it, plus it's good for the company's image, then how exactly is it ridiculous? Because it being ridiculous is what your comment was saying.

SmootyPoody:

Yes. For you it is great 🙂 As I said, some needs it.. A few.. But 99% dont need 22+ cores.

The market is full of things 99% of the market doesn't need, some of them vital to many people's lives, such as medicines and special medical equipment, others vital to many people's livelihoods. Manufacturing them and selling them is anything but ridiculous. 99% of people don't need sports cars either, but it's still a pretty nice market. That's capitalism for you.

#5627841

JEmlay

2019-01-15 18:21

"Cascade Lake X series, which is scheduled to start in 2019." What the heck? Did Z399 drop off the face of the planet? Half way through Jan and we don't have either. There's been zero news on this since October.