Intel Xe graphics card spotted in benchmark database (no benchmarks though).

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If price will be spot on, Intel can make a real dent in the market. They have all the money in the world to realize this - I only hope for a solid execution.
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cryohellinc:

If price will be spot on, Intel can make a real dent in the market. They have all the money in the world to realize this - I only hope for a solid execution.
I think the execution will be fine on the hardware side, also I cannot imagine Intel having drivers as poor as AMD sometimes have. As AMD Navi has not really put pricing pressure on nvidia ( they just upped the peformance with Super series) perhaps Intel can put price pressure on. What process are these XE graphics cards running on, is it 10nm? I seem to recall it is. Does that mean it will be cheap or expensive considering Intels known 14nm supply issues. I am a bear of very little brain in this respect.
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Andy Watson:

I think the execution will be fine on the hardware side, also I cannot imagine Intel having drivers as poor as AMD sometimes have. As AMD Navi has not really put pricing pressure on nvidia ( they just upped the peformance with Super series) perhaps Intel can put price pressure on. What process are these XE graphics cards running on, is it 10nm? I seem to recall it is. Does that mean it will be cheap or expensive considering Intels known 14nm supply issues. I am a bear of very little brain in this respect.
1. You mean AMD and NV probably? NV released a WHQL certified driver about 1,5 year ago which led to Watch Dogs 2 crashing or not being able to be launched. Or you can list the WHQL drivers that led to Chrome video play anomalies. 2. AMD launched two cards. One is $350 and is as fast as the $400 2060S. The other is $400 and only 9% slower than the $500 2070S (with old games added, in newer games its more or less equal in average). 3. We are talking about INTEL. 😀 You know, the company which is still releasing significantly more expensive CPUs than AMD while they perform worse or equal at best.
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Andy Watson:

I think the execution will be fine on the hardware side, also I cannot imagine Intel having drivers as poor as AMD sometimes have. As AMD Navi has not really put pricing pressure on nvidia ( they just upped the peformance with Super series) perhaps Intel can put price pressure on. What process are these XE graphics cards running on, is it 10nm? I seem to recall it is. Does that mean it will be cheap or expensive considering Intels known 14nm supply issues. I am a bear of very little brain in this respect.
Weren't they running Samsung 7 nm or something like that? (I may be totally clueless on this one)
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Andy Watson:

I think the execution will be fine on the hardware side, also I cannot imagine Intel having drivers as poor as AMD sometimes have.
Why wouldn't they? They have the ex-AMD Koduri at the helm. That being said, I've historically had as few problems with both Nvidia and AMD drivers. All in all not too many with either. But maybe I'd Nvidia card(s) during AMD's worst years since I'd seen people complaining about AMD drivers back in the day. Still, some people even today say they don't want AMD because many years ago the drivers weren't the best. Those people must live difficult lives with a kilometer long list of companies they boycott because once in a blue moon 20 years ago they weren't satisfied with a certain product from a certain company.
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stop putting raja on a pedestal, he wasn't the radeon saviour you make him out to be.
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BReal85:

1. You mean AMD and NV probably? NV released a WHQL certified driver about 1,5 year ago which led to Watch Dogs 2 crashing or not being able to be launched. Or you can list the WHQL drivers that led to Chrome video play anomalies. 2. AMD launched two cards. One is $350 and is as fast as the $400 2060S. The other is $400 and only 9% slower than the $500 2070S (with old games added, in newer games its more or less equal in average). 3. We are talking about INTEL. 😀 You know, the company which is still releasing significantly more expensive CPUs than AMD while they perform worse or equal at best.
Note I am not having a go at AMD here, I have been using their cpu and Ati video cards for a long time and they do have spells where the drivers have to catch up with the hardware, more so than Intel or nvidia in my opinion. They certainly give good bang per buck though on some generations. In regards to 2) above I meant nvidia did not reduce price of their cards down to compete they went for more performance at same price point with the super series. That's no good for someone who has a fixed limit $$ wise. AMD 5700s are good value for money.
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Astyanax:

stop putting raja on a pedestal, he wasn't the radeon saviour you make him out to be.
Haha. I argued (half-jokingly) Intel having good drivers isn't ensured since they have an ex-AMD Raja at the helm, and you think I put the man on a pedestal? Doesn't compute. I don't think he's anything special, especially after he jumped ships. It's not like during his time anything especially good would have happened to the AMD graphics division. Sure, he most likely didn't have the money he would have liked to have for R&D, but conversely it also means his team wasn't extraordinary enough to pull off miracles with limited money, unlike the Ryzen team.
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Kaarme:

Haha. I argued (half-jokingly) Intel having good drivers isn't ensured since they have an ex-AMD Raja at the helm, and you think I put the man on a pedestal? Doesn't compute. I don't think he's anything special, especially after he jumped ships. It's not like during his time anything especially good would have happened to the AMD graphics division. Sure, he most likely didn't have the money he would have liked to have for R&D, but conversely it also means his team wasn't extraordinary enough to pull off miracles with limited money, unlike the Ryzen team.
Raja probably had little to do with software side of things.
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Considering how little we know about this GPU, it's possible this isn't their best offering. But even if it is, this is a very healthy first-generation, especially considering how little time they've had to optimize drivers.
Astyanax:

stop putting raja on a pedestal, he wasn't the radeon saviour you make him out to be.
He wasn't the reason GPUs like the Vega series were disappointing, either.
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schmidtbag:

He wasn't the reason GPUs like the Vega series were disappointing, either.
indeed, team effort.
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Astyanax:

indeed, team effort.
More like lack of a team. RTG didn't have the time or resources to work on Vega, because the team was set to help with the GPUs in next-gen consoles. Raja had a plan for a better GPU and it was foiled.
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Astyanax:

stop putting raja on a pedestal, he wasn't the radeon saviour you make him out to be.
At least they have someone now.
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I'm pretty sure Intels 2nd or 3rd gen cards will be put into the mix of Mid to high-end cards. Hopefully all GFX card prices will be a third cheaper once we have 3 gfx card producers.
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Intel joining the party will only reduce graphics card pricing if NVidia feels threatened. From the information currently available, NVidia has no reason to worry about Intel. We're only guessing at what the performance will be and what market will be targeted first. Also, there's still plenty of time for Intel to repeat Larrabee and make it an HPC accelerator card again... Hopefully Intel won't use some ridiculous naming scheme....
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Andy Watson:

I think the execution will be fine on the hardware side, also I cannot imagine Intel having drivers as poor as AMD sometimes have. As AMD Navi has not really put pricing pressure on nvidia ( they just upped the peformance with Super series) perhaps Intel can put price pressure on. What process are these XE graphics cards running on, is it 10nm? I seem to recall it is. Does that mean it will be cheap or expensive considering Intels known 14nm supply issues. I am a bear of very little brain in this respect.
Intel has some of the worst graphics drivers on windows imo, at least the last time i used them it was bad, but maybe things have changed, And yes the XE will be 10nm. Should be "ok" , since gpus generally dont need to run at very high clocks, most of intel's problems with 10nm these days ,seem to point to poor power efficiency at higher clockspeeds, if intel thinks they can ship an icelake serverchip next year, i dont see why they wouldn't be able to ship a gpu, I would not expect it to be cheap though.
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thats a cheesey concept design.
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They must be able to beat Nvidia and AMD either in performance or price to compete or else the card/s will fail imho. The gpu market history has shown there's no room for a 3rd competitor.