Shrink alone isn't going to make much difference. Think Sandy 32nm vs Ivy 22nm. Unless they add "up to" 8 cores. I expect Coffee Lake to be very popular.

Yes the more cores is what we needed. Shrinking and 2% IPC icrease with few teaks isn't going to cut it. That's why we remained stagnant in CPUs the last 6 years. AMD offered first more cores at a mainstream price and this made all the difference (I do not count Faildozer ofc). Now Intel is following. This is the change I was waiting for to upgrade my old 2500K.

I like the fact that they're going straight to their 2nd Gen 10nm for mainstream desktop stuff. Hoping with what AMD has launched this year means that IceLake will come with not only that nice new process but some tasty architectural tweaks too! Not sure if IceLake is a brand new Arch or a further refinement of Skylake. But even if it is a new arch I wouldn't expect anything revolutionary from Intel just yet as this is only slated for next year. Perhaps 2019 will be the year for a revolutionary new architecture on 10nm++ followed by a 7nm die shrink of that arch in 2020 who knows Hopefully with AMD latest innovations in CPU will mean a more innovation and better products all round. Looks like Canonlake will be low wattage parts only and on first gen 10nm

Looks like Canonlake will be low wattage parts only and on first gen 10nm

We've known that for a very long time already..

I like the fact that they're going straight to their 2nd Gen 10nm for mainstream desktop stuff. Hoping with what AMD has launched this year means that IceLake will come with not only that nice new process but some tasty architectural tweaks too! Not sure if IceLake is a brand new Arch or a further refinement of Skylake. But even if it is a new arch I wouldn't expect anything revolutionary from Intel just yet as this is only slated for next year. Perhaps 2019 will be the year for a revolutionary new architecture on 10nm++ followed by a 7nm die shrink of that arch in 2020 who knows Hopefully with AMD latest innovations in CPU will mean a more innovation and better products all round. Looks like Canonlake will be low wattage parts only and on first gen 10nm

Cannon lake is still old SB arch, icelake is new x86, apparently emulating old stuff and new hw with x86 tweaks. Imo the only revolutionary upgrade for anyone looking at new cpu.

Intel has finally woken up. It was about time, since 2014, nothing really new came up from Intel, regarding CPU's. Now 10 nm CPU's coming in 2018, that is more than four years of sleeping and it's enough. Big THANKS to AMD for Ryzen.

I can't believe people are complaining about die shrinks and product choice. I guess they could always launch one cpu product every 4 years like amd or launch them 15 months late like amd did with vegafail. I can't wait for coffeelake. I can keep my ram and get a 6 core cpu that will hit 4.6 on air with a new chipset with 3 m.2 pci 4x slots for under $1000. The same cost as the 7820x on it's own is now which would require a $600 motherboard and new ram kit which are $400 plus for what I would want to get with it.

It's kind of funny...but years ago when everyone was on 130nm, I remember Intel doing big PR spreads about 90nm--"coming right up." 90nm hit dram & simple chip production *years* before it hit Intel cpu mass production, IIRC. Right now, Intel is simply struggling to save face, imo. This time around, AMD is not going to hang out a shingle and sit on 14nm cpus and expect to milk them for years into the future in perpetuity. No, AMD will be balls-to-the-walls R&D moving ahead--as the company has already seen the futility of leaping out ahead without plans/means to *stay* ahead. If Intel thought AMD was competitive during the Athlon era, they ain't seen nothin' yet, I would imagine...;)

10nm seems a big step. We are going to eat and drink 10nm for at least 4 years from 2018. So, no easy way to speed things: - the race on gigahertz is over - the downsizing is expentially difficult Which leaves: - cores number explosion (happening) - and total change of architecture. Will Intel be bold enough to go that way and leave x86 behind at least for the consumer market ?

More cores is all well and good. However, how many consumers can afford these cpus? We'll be waiting a while before 12 and 16 core cpus become mainstream. £300 for 8-cores in 2017 is very nice from AMD though.

If coffee can have a 10%to 15% gain over Kaby I might upgrade my 4790k. Or just ride her out till she dies LOL

Is it really a 10nm, as a gap between the drain and source of the transistor, or is it just the PR name of the more efficient process ? As having more transistors on the same surface could really be cool, but at 10nm i expect that they'll start to see some quantum effects and I'd really like to know how they solved them.

more shrink = less transistors or is the opposite. I still not convinced regarding billions of transistors can fit on so small 32nm or 22nm leave alone 10nm process...

more shrink = less transistors or is the opposite. I still not convinced regarding billions of transistors can fit on so small 32nm or 22nm leave alone 10nm process...

32-22-14-10nm refers to the transistor size not the size of the die area.

If coffee can have a 10%to 15% gain over Kaby I might upgrade my 4790k. Or just ride her out till she dies LOL

I'd be shocked if it was anywhere remotely near a 10% IPC gain. Intel haven't done that since they took control in 2006. Even with AMD competing for the first time since then, I don't expect a real increase because these chips were in development before they knew what AMD could really offer. You shouldn't need to upgrade anyway, an OC'd 4790K is good for at least another 2 years without bottlenecking any games, I expect longer.

So Intel will stick to 10nm and larger for a while longer. Means there's still some juice left they're not going to squeeze yet. This has been going on since sandy bridge was released. Very, very slow improvements. Milk the market to the maximum. I was hoping there'd be a jump to <10nm announced after Ryzen, but it seems Intel does not really care about Ryzen much. Meaning competition isn't working as intended...

Has everyone missed that 10nm+ isn't going to increase performance over 14nm++? Like are we looking at different charts... In fact it looks like a small performance regression, and honestly no I don't expect any IPC improvements from Ice Lake, Intel was stuck on 14nm for most of 4 years and didn't think that maybe an architectural improvement necessary? BS until they bring the ground up architecture likely Sapphire Rapids as it is not Ice Lake as Ice Lake has been on the books for the last 2 years, and Intel only started hiring people to work on the ground up architecture last year. (I also expect an IPC uplift with DDR5, but I don't expect that until 2020 and AMD will get the same benefit.) While AMD is using TSMC's 7nm for there first Epyc CPUs at least, which yes Intel's 10nm on density when you factor logic and SRAM density is about equal to TSMC's 7nm, but if TSMC's 7nm claims are to be believed it's a 20% speed improvement over there 10nm which was 15% faster than there 16nm which was about 15% faster than Global Foundries 14LPP in measured reality which is what OG Ryzen was made on. Like I take those TSMC claims with a grain of salt as those were likely on low power parts so they say 35% I would put it more to 17.5% is more likely, but that 15% over Global Foundries we know that for fact so 37.5% faster is not unreasonable to expect so 5Ghz all core and 5.6Ghz single core is possible, and you wanna want to know what; I am under selling that even more. Because TSMC claims to be able to cut power consumption on 7nm over 10nm by 40% and 35% on 10nm over 16nm at the same time. So I am not factoring that and I am cutting there claims on performance in half, like seriously main stream parts with a 5Ghz all core boost clock is being ultra conservative with the numbers we have and Intel on other hand is going to be stuck of 14nm until winter 2019 when AMD is starting to launch there 7nm CPUs for server in Q1 2019, and there 10nm+ CPUs offer no performance improvement over 14nm++, and Intel wont have comparable yields to 14nm++ on 10nm+ either so don't expect more than 8 cores. And that brings us to the reports of AMD is going to at least have a 12 cores on mainstream and 48 core server CPU so not only will they have a clock speed advantage they will likely have a 50% core advantage as I suspect Intel will move to 32 cores, not that it will help because Data Centre consumers don't want there 28 core CPUs because in AVX workloads they consume about 334W even data centre customers who can afford the $10,000 per CPU don't want them because there power hogs. And the fact that AMD is likely to increase IPC 5% to 7% putting them marginally ahead on IPC and you begin to realise...Intel is F******************************************************KED. There is literally no saving grace for Intel apart from inertia and AVX 512, that they could likely improve there's your IPC improvement which you almost certainly wont see because no consumer applications uses AVX 512. Intel Is basically dead until 2021 when 7nm and a ground up architecture comes around, END OF STORY! Oh sorry I suppose you have the 9900k and 9700k coming they look like nice CPUs, if you need to upgrade now they will be you best choice, they stomp Ryzen. But if you can hang on for at more 10 months from now probably 7 to 9 months from the launch of those CPUs AMD will eviscerate them. Although I do believe Intel will steam roll AMD in 2021, not to the same degree probably, but because they wont have lost all there inertia because they have been top dog for 12 years, you don't break that momentum completely within 2 years. So I think you will see things quickly return to what they are like now, AMD might surprise me, but I doubt it.

Nvm, slow brain xD

What is funny and sad at the same time that one year later Intel still haven't fixed their shitty 10nm process. I imagine that the people that posted in August 2017 thought that they'll already have the next gen 10nm Intel CPU's in their PC's in one year time... but nope. Not even close.