30% of CPU's sold at "Mindfactory", an AMD focused German retailer that had AMD outselling Intel back when bulldozer was their top chip. lol.

I was expecting Alder lake to sell more to users.

Horus-Anhur:

I was expecting Alder lake to sell more to users.

Impossible . It's only good for enthusiasts right now .

If these stats are true , there is no wonder why AMD is not lowering prices. Why would they ? :O

kapu:

Impossible . It's only good for enthusiasts right now .

But that's the thing. Mindfactory's target audience are enthusiasts. This is not Dell or HP, or some huge company that sells half-assed pre-builds.

Horus-Anhur:

But that's the thing. Mindfactory's target audience are enthusiasts. This is not Dell or HP, or some huge company that sells half-assed pre-builds.

Alot of these enthusiasts know how to count money and they sit on AM4 boards , other half has 10/11 gen intel and has zero reasons to upgrade. I have really good contact in big Polish etailer, Alder lake sales very bad , timing was not good , mobos are expensive , DDR5 is nowhere to be found and has little gains on DDR4. Basically alder lake is only for enthusiast that buy new pcs or for that very small % that want maximum performance. Which is clearly represented by those numbers.

tty8k:

This.

There are partially true from what i see here in Poland , sure that AMD sale is too big . 10400/11400f are top dogs on Intel side here.

Yep, still no budget chips from either manufacturer. Unlike us, most people are not after performance parts. No one I know would pay more than 1000 PLN (~€217) for a CPU. Not in a million years.

mackintosh:

Yep, still no budget chips from either manufacturer. Unlike us, most people are not after performance parts. No one I know would pay more than 1000 PLN (~€217) for a CPU. Not in a million years.

Especially when 150 EUR does job just fine and you can use old mobo. 120-180eur is magic spot for CPU 😀

AL is good enough that Intel fans will have a reason to upgrade, but it's underwhelming enough and has enough hiccups that the average enthusiast is likely just waiting for next-gen Zen before they make a move.

kapu:

Alot of these enthusiasts know how to count money and they sit on AM4 boards , other half has 10/11 gen intel and has zero reasons to upgrade. I have really good contact in big Polish etailer, Alder lake sales very bad , timing was not good , mobos are expensive , DDR5 is nowhere to be found and has little gains on DDR4. Basically alder lake is only for enthusiast that buy new pcs or for that very small % that want maximum performance. Which is clearly represented by those numbers.

I think this is the big problem with AL, performance is very good and prices are acceptable, but the overall platform is too expensive. The crazy situation around GPUs also doesn´t help because what´s the point of building a new gaming rig without the most important part...

Alder Lake is certainly impressive but it's just too new and has too many unsolved bugs for widespread end-user use. There's some software that performs worse and a few game titles that won't even load without workarounds being put in place. Fine for those who are used to building their own PCs but not acceptable to general end-users - i.e., "my son has bought a copy of AC Valhalla, it works on his brother's PC we bought last year but won't load on his, we've been told something about the scroll lock button and how we have to press it after downloading some other software???" I think the big sales for AL will come when the 6+0 chips come out. 6 perf cores, no thread director, no flakiness, just serious mid-range performance. It should clean up in prebuilts etc.

mackintosh:

Yep, still no budget chips from either manufacturer. Unlike us, most people are not after performance parts. No one I know would pay more than 1000 PLN (~€217) for a CPU. Not in a million years.

If someone is on a budget they are not buying brand new chips or architectures. Intel and AMD have budget chips from previous generations which are still manufactured and sold. The 1600 and 1200 are still avaliable on Amazon and so is the 2200G or even the Althon 3000G for £80. And a lot of these all fit into the same motherboards as the higher end and newer models so upgrading down the line is possible. Most people on a real budget are not buying new either. And remember these are BUSINESSES at the end of the day. They have a shortage of components, but the components they can make are selling out. Of course they are going to focus on the higher end for newer products where they have higher margins. And if previous generations of CPU's are still good enough why release what is essentially a higher volume product on the same manufacturing lines as your higher end products which would eat up supply and just make things even worse.

I bought two 12900K and I would not recommend them over AMD lets say 5800X or higher. 12900K I can say are the hottest CPU's I have personally owned but they both worked 100% fine for my use case 4K PC Gaming @ 5400Mhz. I can also say the platform being so new works very good for me and has had less problems than my 10850K setup on z-490 motherboard.

bobnewels:

I bought two 12900K and I would not recommend them over AMD lets say 5800X or higher. 12900K I can say are the hottest CPU's I have personally owned but they both worked 100% fine for my use case 4K PC Gaming @ 5400Mhz. I can also say the platform being so new works very good for me and has had less problems than my 10850K setup on z-490 motherboard.

I would recommend them over anything, i upgraded my 5950x to 12900K + DDR5 5200 [untill i manage to get 6000 kit]

I finally built my new gaming PC on 12900k and am really impressed, don't care about power usage or heat as my PSU and AIO keep things in the "normal" range. What I am finding is that you cannot buy DDR5 so I have to switch to a DDR4 board, which must be hurting sales?

Andrew LB:

30% of CPU's sold at "Mindfactory", an AMD focused German retailer that had AMD outselling Intel back when bulldozer was their top chip. lol.

A company doesn't "focus" on another product, unless you mean they have more inventory of AMD and are always out of Intel on purpose to "skew" results, in which case i'd love to see the proof of this, anywhere that shows mindfactory out of stock on intel CPUs consistently to make AMD's sales results on their company look better (which bare in mind, from a company standpoint, would make no sense unless they were getting paid to do that by AMD, or were owned by AMD, as that would only hurt their sales.) Please show proof of said AMD outselling intel back when bulldozer was their top chip. Looks like you have a lot of information to show and tell based off your statements.

Horus-Anhur:

I was expecting Alder lake to sell more to users.

people who wanted to upgrade to the latest tech, ddr5 included, are screwed you can't buy ram in most places outside the us maybe honestly if manufacturers still make dd5 motherboards they have really bad management, they are an expensive brick and nothing else I've got 3 kits ordered not that i want them but because 1st one got delayed 2x and now till never 2nd one was supposed to be here next monday and now is for next week (also never most likely) and a 3rd one was "mid december" now pushed to 22.12 "target" 🙄 all 3 ordered as soon as items where announced as "in stock" or with announced delivery dates I really want to build a pure gaming pc but all the motherboards that have the m.2 10gbe etc..that I want (and am currently using on amd) are all ddr5 so I don't really have a choice to wait for vapor ddr5 intel > amd for gaming whichever one you have, I have a 9900k and a 5950x on each side of my desk 100% without any doubt the 9900k@5.0ghz all cores beats amd in real life fps, not fake benchmarks and my 5950x is ultra optimized with different clocks and voltages depending on core use if you don't know this you don't know what to look for or play in 4K where the cpu doesn't matter much, in which case you don't care but intel is still ahead