Intel Silently Shows Unannounced 1TB BGA SSD

#5504607

StewieTech

2017-12-26 18:15

Intel you naughty, naughty boy. Doing things behind the scenes. I got my eye on you bad boy...

#5504645

xIcarus

2017-12-26 20:18

If we're getting laptops with SSDs soldered on the mobo and no further storage expansion capabilities just to extort the customer I'm going to throw a very immature hissy fit. Something similar to how laptop manufacturers were extorting money when you bought a laptop with a larger SSD from factory. You want 512GB instead of 256? That's an extra 200 bucks, even though the whole SSD is less than that. I'm mentioning this because anything's possible when Intel is involved.

#5504675

Aura89

2017-12-26 23:29

Aren't BGA already how SSD chips are connected to the board anyways? For instance, the SATA SSD and the m.2 SSD to the left of the picture have boards with chips connected to them, isn't that already BGA? By that i mean, obviously i can see how these ones are connected: https://www.myce.com/wp-content/images_reviews/reviews/Kingston_HyperX_Fury/image008.jpg But i can not see how these ones are connected: https://www.myce.com/wp-content/images_reviews/reviews/Crucial_M550/image006.png If not BGA, then what? And unless someone corrects me, which is fine, according to this simple image search, it seems like what i'm asking is correct? https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS736US736&biw=2560&bih=1309&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=7M1CWvn7J8qAjwOB96X4Ag&q=SSD+BGA&oq=SSD+BGA&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i8i30k1.70805.72012.0.72226.7.7.0.0.0.0.141.644.3j3.6.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.5.503...0j0i67k1.0.XavdtXVP3q4#imgrc=iFCtWnOCqTD-uM: And since this: https://techreport.com/r.x/intel-730series/straight-top.jpg Is an SSD from Intel from 2014 with (again i will assume since everything i am finding so far is saying this is correct) BGA chips, then i'm just really confused what is new here?

#5504678

scatman839

2017-12-26 23:57

xIcarus:

If we're getting laptops with SSDs soldered on the mobo and no further storage expansion capabilities just to extort the customer I'm going to throw a very immature hissy fit. Something similar to how laptop manufacturers were extorting money when you bought a laptop with a larger SSD from factory. You want 512GB instead of 256? That's an extra 200 bucks, even though the whole SSD is less than that. I'm mentioning this because anything's possible when Intel is involved.

Modern macbooks and quite a few slim factor laptops already do this

#5504682

The Goose

2017-12-27 00:06

Old news....https://www.anandtech.com/show/10166/samsung-demos-its-first-bga-ssd

#5504702

Clawedge

2017-12-27 01:45

So does it have a built in controller? thats the question.

#5504708

MegaFalloutFan

2017-12-27 02:27

Aura89:

Aren't BGA already how SSD chips are connected to the board anyways? For instance, the SATA SSD and the m.2 SSD to the left of the picture have boards with chips connected to them, isn't that already BGA?

You missed the point, that small one is not NAND chip, but a complete SSD in BGA format.

#5504730

Aura89

2017-12-27 06:00

MegaFalloutFan:

You missed the point, that small one is not NAND chip, but a complete SSD in BGA format.

I'm not seeing where it says that. All i see there is a chip that mounts in BGA, just like most RAM-type storage do these days. Plus, this would really be no different then what they've been using in many ultra-small laptops and phones. Either way, if it is, or isn't, a complete package, there's nothing new in that, so i'm not sure what the worry is.

#5504737

pegasus1

2017-12-27 07:41

Market forces may well dictate how this is taken up, personally i wouldnt buy a laptop where i couldn't upgrade/change the storage or RAM but there are punters who would.

#5504753

yasamoka

2017-12-27 08:52

Aura89:

I'm not seeing where it says that. All i see there is a chip that mounts in BGA, just like most RAM-type storage do these days. Plus, this would really be no different then what they've been using in many ultra-small laptops and phones. Either way, if it is, or isn't, a complete package, there's nothing new in that, so i'm not sure what the worry is.

The entire chip is a standalone SSD. The example you have attached shows several chips soldered in BGA format on a PCB where the entire PCB represents the SSD. With Intel's latest release, the controller, DRAM (if present), and NAND are all on the same chip. As for ultra-small laptops and phones, it should be the same if a single-chip solution is used.

#5504766

xIcarus

2017-12-27 09:49

scatman839:

Modern macbooks and quite a few slim factor laptops already do this

Yeah but the price difference is usually reasonable nowadays (not for macbooks of course, only for other ultrabooks because Apple are a bunch of twats). It used to be much worse when SSD laptops weren't as common even though SSD prices weren't that high anymore. I remember I bought a 256SSD on a $700 laptop back then. Fuck the po-lice.

#5505010

ladcrooks

2017-12-28 08:43

pegasus1:

Market forces may well dictate how this is taken up, personally i wouldnt buy a laptop where i couldn't upgrade/change the storage or RAM but there are punters who would.

also if broken, non repairable - so much waste in this world. If there were aliens about, id be ashamed to be a human. 😡

#5505129

pegasus1

2017-12-28 18:44

ladcrooks:

If there were aliens about, id be ashamed to be a human. 😡

Really? We are an awesome species, that's why we have become so successful over such a short space of time.

#5506727

ladcrooks

2018-01-03 11:10

look at the damage we have done in just over a 100 yrs. And wildlife .......... Awesome at killing everything else off!

#5506760

pegasus1

2018-01-03 12:53

ladcrooks:

look at the damage we have done in just over a 100 yrs. And wildlife .......... Awesome at killing everything else off!

99% off all species that have lived on earth died off long before humans turned up.