Primey0:

Please don't come crying to us when you get infected and all of your personal data is stolen. People who don't install windows updates and very important microcode patches shouldn't be allowed on a PC.

Dude if you think any computer you put personal data onto on is secure then you need to follow your own advice. These are data catching machines and data is worth money. With all these holes coming out no one should be surprised. I can guarantee the largest manufacturers of chips have all had unpleasant conversation with government entities(you know for security from terror) on how they will make backdoors or else. It's not as flashy or discussed as how social media is in the same boat but the same reasons apply there.

PurSpyk!!:

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Primey0:

Please don't come crying to us when you get infected and all of your personal data is stolen. People who don't install windows updates and very important microcode patches shouldn't be allowed on a PC.

That's a very asinine and non-sensical statement. What if I don't actually store any personal information on my PC? I should be allowed to use my PC as I see fit, not the way some vitriolic, bitter old man thinks I should. GTFO

Irenicus:

That's a very asinine and non-sensical statement. What if I don't actually store any personal information on my PC? I should be allowed to use my PC as I see fit, not the way some vitriolic, bitter old man thinks I should. GTFO

You aren't forced into it. Windows 10 provides a way to disable the mitigations, and Gibson Research has provided a utility that makes it easy to enable/disable meltdown and spectre mitigations in Windows with a click of a button: https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm Right-click, "Run as administrator", and it will tell you whether these mitigations are enabled or not, and it has "disable/enable" buttons. You can disable the mitigations manually if you want by setting the needed registry keys yourself. On Sandy Bridge, as of now (28 May 2018), InSpectre should report that the Meltdown mitigation is active, the Spectre ones are not (because the SB microcode is not on Windows Update yet.) You can run your benchmarks and other tests, then disable the mitigation, reboot, and run your benches again. You can then see for yourself whether or not there's a perf hit on the stuff you care about. For gaming, there shouldn't be any noticeable hit. But you can check for yourself. In my own tests, on an i5 2500K, I have observed a performance difference of exactly ZERO in all my games. Workloads that depend on heavy I/O however (storage or network,) should see a significant perf hit. I do not care about these workloads though, so I didn't run any such benches.

In summary, if I understood well: - you can patch your older CPU if you are still on older Windows 10 versions, which should be, by definition, less secure than the latest one - you cannot patch your older CPU if you run the latest Windows build, which should be the one Microsoft focus its efforts on ? Am I the only one who finds this situation non-sense ?

win 10 insider build 1803 http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc242/ultraex2003/zcvccv.JPG.0be48750637e4b8753a415d8868b32c9.jpg

Primey0:

Please don't come crying to us when you get infected and all of your personal data is stolen. People who don't install windows updates and very important microcode patches shouldn't be allowed on a PC.

Don't worry, they won't. This is a tech forum where people understand the potential repercussions of not patching their systems. This isn't /r/gaming, try being edgy there. I don't understand why you give a fuck what people do with their systems in the first place.

DeskStar:

What did you end up going with on the newer build?? Because I am almost certain that any and all CPU's to today are all vulnerable. So regardless if new or old everyone on both sides of the fence (red & blue) are being affected.

I got myself the ryzen 1600 its not perfect but its an improvement

Is Sandy Bridge-E (3xxx series) included in this? I only see regular Sandy Bridge and Xeon counterparts listed by Microsoft.

xIcarus:

Don't worry, they won't. This is a tech forum where people understand the potential repercussions of not patching their systems. This isn't /r/gaming, try being edgy there. I don't understand why you give a frack what people do with their systems in the first place.

forgive me bro.. i think what he meant is he cares.. thats what's he tryin to expressed.. (just slightly in very lovely serious fashion) 🙂

Cave Waverider:

Is Sandy Bridge-E (3xxx series) included in this? I only see regular Sandy Bridge and Xeon counterparts listed by Microsoft.

You can check by CPUID.

icedman:

I got myself the ryzen 1600 its not perfect but its an improvement

Right on. I'm trying to hold out until my hexa-core with hyperthreading is no longer supported. Just wish the new GPU's were here sooner than later.

DeskStar:

Right on. I'm trying to hold out until my hexa-core with hyperthreading is no longer supported. Just wish the new GPU's were here sooner than later.

To be honest i probably would have been perfectly fine on my 3770k @4.4ghz as the most demanding games i have with my gtx 1080 and 4k monitor only used between 50-60% of my cpu during gaming.

Primey0:

People who don't install windows updates and very important microcode patches shouldn't be allowed on a PC.

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Primey0:

Please don't come crying to us when you get infected and all of your personal data is stolen. People who don't install windows updates and very important microcode patches shouldn't be allowed on a PC.

Riiiiiight Calm down now. Just because someone doesn't secure themselves doesn't mean you're going to affected in lieu of that. And performance in a system four plus years old truly matters if it is remotely effected in any way.

las:

Windows 10 is the most secure Windows OS ever released and this is a fact. They force security updates where former Windows versions allowed you to postpone them forever if you wanted.

lol...

Patched my install of W10 1803 manually yesterday. Boot up time is a few seconds quicker surprisingly after the update. Odd but at least my 2500k is a little more secure. I only play games so I shouldn't see much of an impact vs other tasks.