Intel in talks with AMD to license graphics
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Ryu5uzaku
Now this could be good for AMD bring some money to the house.
Lane
Maybe not so good in the long term anyway. Depend what is really in the deal outside money, and on what IP's.
nz3777
This sounds like an AMAZING idea!!! Amd has strong graphics Intel has strong cpu together they can make a Amazing Apu! For someone like me this would be awsome to see as I support both companys. Hell yeah I say go 4 it.
rl66
it's more like shoot own feet (as laptop is one big market for AMD in APU and in GPU)...
but indeed it would do great thing for consumer but also would be the start of the end for AMD and Radeon...
*edit* last time intel have done that with NVidia and the result was endless law pursuit...
Lane
Dunno, i dont think the point is to use full AMD graphics on Intel "APU".. Mostly some patent IP licencing for ameliorate their own Intel graphics chips. ( caches coherency, memory side, unified memory access, interconnect, computing side etc )
Knowing some peoples from Intel graphics ( not friends so ), i have seen the work they have done thoses last years and i really doubt they want to throw all of this out.
This type of deal is anyway comon between AMD and Intel ( just look at CPU x86)
Fox2232
Intel has technologically advanced iGPUs, but there is sad thing about them... Even at 14nm they are power hungry.
nz3777
Amd needs any Deal they can get- .I even thought intel might be scared on account of Zen coming out but I doubt it. We shall see what happens,Interesting times ahead thats for damm sure.Nz
konmarin
They will loose apu sales which is a strong counterpart to expensive 5675c-5775c and if they allow to use amd graphics technology no one will buy apu anymore...
kegastaMmer
wow thats a real shocker, i wonder whats next.
amd better hold on to their strengths tightly whichever way this deal goes
jimdove
wont adding amd to the equation end up with the need of massive cooling from now on hehe
anyway, imagine if intel just bought amd.............................. i think thats the only way nvidia would **** itself
airbud7
What deal?....the cash injection deal?
Denial
Yeah, cash is bad for AMD. They need to stay in the red because that's their team color.
vbetts
Moderator
How many APU system's are sold compared to say an Intel CPU? Intel has most of the market down. Just from royalties alone, AMD would make a killing with this deal.
nhlkoho
They might, but Intel would be able to crush them even more by putting higher end graphics in their lower end processors effectively killing AMD's APU market share.
edilsonj
Hhhmmm...
AMD in consoles, your own APUs, your own GPUs, in others CPUs...
Is it a new monopoly? I like it.
vbetts
Moderator
http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2015/1/19553521_14219085400276_0.jpg
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2839306-intels-leadership-in-notebook-processors-is-unchallenged
This is the most recent one I found for laptop market share, I'm sure there is a more recent one out there but the actual results probably would not be that different.
My point is, AMD has a very low market share. Say Intel does strike a deal to put R7 IGPU's in their core series cpus, not just one or two of them but most of them including one of their most mainstream mobile CPU's right now the Core-M 5200u. Will AMD lose market share in this? Of course, they might go down to say 10% market share for example. But that 90% that Intel owns, let's say 70% of that belongs to Intel CPU's with AMD iGPU's inside. That is a huge cash intake for AMD. Their only cost at this point, is to make the GPU.
nhlkoho
Sure but what does that mean for the price of Intel CPUs? Pushing AMD further out of the competition would allow Intel to charge whatever they want. That isn't good or anybody.
Turanis
nvm.
Turanis
In Q1 2017 expire licence between Intel and Nvidia. Intel will wanna choose something to deal in DirectX 12.
For Amd will be good to get some cash from this license agrement,if would will be,but dependes what Intel want.
If Intel want some Async Compute stuff maybe will be good,but if this agrement will touch Amd APU & discrete Gpu sales then is not good on long term.
The money will come and go,but long term damage will not be repair too fast.
schmidtbag
Do people really not understand the long-term consequences of this? The only reason AMD is still a competitor against Intel to any degree is because of their graphics, specifically their IGPs. If they license anything IGP/GPU related to Intel, they are basically surrendering to Intel entirely. Contrary to what many people want to believe, Intel's IGPs aren't that bad. When you consider the specs of the hardwaer involved (transistor count, frequency, memory controller, fab node size, etc) compared to AMD's, it's actually pretty good.
Intel has the money and the resources to make an IGP better than AMD's; they don't need AMD for anything. Whatever Intel would license from AMD would be worth pennies to them, but would result in completely wiping out AMD. Even if Zen is better than Intel's CPU lineup in every metric, that won't save them.
If AMD is wise and Zen is competitive, they should keep their debt a little longer and move ahead without Intel's "pity".
