Intel HEDT Cascade Lake-X Procs Have 10-core or more cores - Core i9 10900X Geekbenched

#5712532

cryohellinc

2019-09-19 08:34

Ah, finally. https://i.giphy.com/media/tPKoWQJk3cEbC/giphy.webp

#5712535

anticupidon

2019-09-19 08:38

Empowering Creators says Intel. Empoverish Creators is a more suited slogan, closer to reality. I find odd that a 10 core HEDT CPU only has so little L3 cache shared between cores. Let's wait and see what price Intel will ask for it.

#5712536

Mesab67

2019-09-19 08:39

Competition is good, from all sides. Will be interesting to see how 'competitive' they'll be with pricing.

#5712539

Petr V

2019-09-19 08:49

10c for 1000€+ nice Intel.

#5712540

anticupidon

2019-09-19 08:52

As expected, Intel empoverishes creators, not empowering them.

#5712556

Clanger

2019-09-19 10:13

meh to HEDT, i5 and downwards only here 😛:D

#5712558

nevcairiel

2019-09-19 10:21

anticupidon:

I find odd that a 10 core HEDT CPU only has so little L3 cache shared between cores.

At 1MB per core, it has a sizable L2 cache though, which Intel probably believes results in better performance then offering less L2 and more L3 (like AMD currently does).

#5712569

Kaarme

2019-09-19 11:24

With everything AMD Ryzen going on, Intel is expected to price new HEDT processors competitively.

I don't really expect such a thing. It's Intel. I imagine they will charge a lot, relying on the loyal customers to buy enough to make money due to the large profit margin, not numbers. In fact that might even be wise for Intel considering their production lines are stressed by running at 100% capacity as it is.

#5712617

Ricardo

2019-09-19 15:31

karma777police:

I have this information almost a month old. The lowest core count on new Cascade Lake X is 10/20 starting at $400. Intel will offer two extra cores at each price point AMD CPU is in. If you already have socket 2066, it could not be better for you. You will get more cores than AMD offers for same amount of money in other words beat this AMD. AMD cannot go any more lower with price cause they would have no margin.

10/20 in Intel's HEDT for $400? Sorry bud, you info sounds unbelieavable. Not even the 9900k costs that, even after Zen 2 launched. Still, this would compete with threadripper 3000, which we still know almost nothing about. I'd say if you're in the market for this kind of PC, wait until that is announced.

#5712621

D3M1G0D

2019-09-19 15:44

karma777police:

I have this information almost a month old. The lowest core count on new Cascade Lake X is 10/20 starting at $400. Intel will offer two extra cores at each price point AMD CPU is in. If you already have socket 2066, it could not be better for you. You will get more cores than AMD offers for same amount of money in other words beat this AMD. AMD cannot go any more lower with price cause they would have no margin.

You have it precisely backwards - AMD's modular design allows for superior margins compared to Intel's monolithic design, especially as core counts go up. The cost of creating four 8-core chips is a lot less than creating one 28-core chip so AMD has a massive advantage in the HEDT and server space.

#5712724

Srsbsns

2019-09-19 19:24

Rumor is 175+ watt TDP

#5712725

Neo Cyrus

2019-09-19 19:28

Srsbsns:

Rumor is 175+ watt TDP

LOL, Intel's TDPs aren't even real to begin with. Their TDPs are based on the lowest clock without any boost working whatsoever. "175 watts" coming from Intel probably means 250+ in a good scenario.

#5712731

moo100times

2019-09-19 19:42

karma777police:

As I said 10/20 Cascade Lake X is $400. Ryzen on AM4 can only be offered in 8/12/16 variants due its design. Intel is going to offer extra two cores for the same price and there won't be 16 core part Cascade Lake X - 10/12/14/18 against 8/12/16. AMD design doesn't allow superior margins. AMD cannot sell their 12/24 part any cheaper, they won't make any money on it. Intel is going to offer 14/28 for same amount of money AMD sells their 12/24. I have all the prices for a month now.

Got proof?

#5712743

fry178

2019-09-19 20:17

@karma777police Lol, seems like you weren't sober when posting this. Cheapest 8 C is 9900 for +400, cheapest 10 C is +800, none of them hedt.. If whatever you took was plant based, please let me know where you got it from, seems to be good stuff 😀

#5712744

D3M1G0D

2019-09-19 20:17

karma777police:

As I said 10/20 Cascade Lake X is $400. Ryzen on AM4 can only be offered in 8/12/16 variants due its design. Intel is going to offer extra two cores for the same price and there won't be 16 core part Cascade Lake X - 10/12/14/18 against 8/12/16. AMD design doesn't allow superior margins. AMD cannot sell their 12/24 part any cheaper, they won't make any money on it. Intel is going to offer 14/28 for same amount of money AMD sells their 12/24. I have all the prices for a month now.

You're not even making a valid comparison here. Cascade Lake X is HEDT (the X is indicative), which means it will be going up against AMD's HEDT lineup, which offers 16/24/32 core variants. Also, it's a well-established fact that a modular design with multiple dies has better margins than a monolithic die so I have no idea where you get the idea that Intel can create monolithic dies for cheaper - if you think otherwise, then present the proof.

#5712798

ZXRaziel

2019-09-19 23:34

karma777police:

I have this information almost a month old. The lowest core count on new Cascade Lake X is 10/20 starting at $400. Intel will offer two extra cores at each price point AMD CPU is in. If you already have socket 2066, it could not be better for you. You will get more cores than AMD offers for same amount of money in other words beat this AMD. AMD cannot go any more lower with price cause they would have no margin.

If only people like you had better things to do with their lives ...... , just remember your statement so when the CPU in question arrives you will feel stupid for making this up .

#5712824

Aura89

2019-09-20 01:14

karma777police:

I have this information almost a month old. The lowest core count on new Cascade Lake X is 10/20 starting at $400. Intel will offer two extra cores at each price point AMD CPU is in. If you already have socket 2066, it could not be better for you. You will get more cores than AMD offers for same amount of money in other words beat this AMD. AMD cannot go any more lower with price cause they would have no margin.

Saved this post to quote later when products released. https://miro.medium.com/max/1171/1*Mg5Fv4HhfqJD7svp0BJgcA.png

karma777police:

No. Intel HEDT line is socket 3467 found in new Mac Pro. Intel is going against AM4 with 2066 socket, indirectly. Also 1151 socket is a dead platform. It just happens I have accurate info for a month now. As I said again, 10/20 $400 2066 Socket

2066 is HEDT. Mac Pros uses XEONS, which are not HEDT by definition. Doesn't mean they can't be used that way, but that is why Mac Pro uses socket 3467, is because it's using a XEON. These are the products that go up against eachother: Mainstream: Core i3-7 Vs Ryzen HEDT: Core I7-9 X vs Threadripper Servers: Xeon vs EPYC If you have any delusions about this, that is your issue, and no one elses. Also, what is it with certain people on these forums that seem to have this idea that THEY get to decide what a companies product is, or isn't? The mentality one must have to do that......they really need to seek help. Edit: Found out who @karma777police source is: Himself and his wish.

karma777police:

Intel is making a big mistake here. If I was them I would kill socket for 9900k and lower SKUs and bring 2066 socket to mainstream therefore people who already have that socket do not have to buy new mobo. New chipset is fine but same socket so newer CPU can work on new and older mobo. That would be the smartest thing to do. Also lower the price of 2066 socket CPUs to match Zen 2 and case closed. They don't have to worry about core count cause they already have that with 2066 socket. If they want to release an updated CPU sure, to gain some performance and have higher clock speed.

Ironically enough before he posted his wish, he stated that is what will happen. So what is it, a wish, or a statement?

karma777police:

2066 socket on x299 chipset is going mainstream this fall.

He also posted this in June, yet now claims, what he claimed before, is less then a month old? Here's another "claim" he had

karma777police:

16/32 core setup won't happen on AM4 socket

(16 core/32 thread for clarification since that was what was being discussed in the thread) There's not a single prediction this guy has ever made that has come true.

#5716322

Aura89

2019-10-02 04:57

karma777police:

The lowest core count on new Cascade Lake X is 10/20 starting at $400.

karma777police:

As I said 10/20 Cascade Lake X is $400. I have all the prices for a month now.

karma777police:

I am the one going to be laughing when Intel drops this bomb

karma777police:

As I said again, 10/20 $400 2066 Socket

https://i.imgur.com/oflyDEW.png Huh, surprising, 10 core processors not for $400, and lowest price you can effectively get them is $590....if you can afford to buy them in 1K amounts or more..........(If i'm reading this correctly) Yeah, no one is surprised you were wrong.

#5716484

Ricardo

2019-10-02 16:04

Aura89:

https://i.imgur.com/oflyDEW.png Huh, surprising, 10 core processors not for $400, and lowest price you can effectively get them is $590....if you can afford to buy them in 1K amounts or more..........(If i'm reading this correctly) Yeah, no one is surprised you were wrong.

Damn, you beat me to it, LOL.