Intel Haswell to arrive in low volume until USB 3.0 issue is fixed

#4553953

nicugoalkeper

2013-03-15 10:19

Or another way to say we are selling faulty chips !!

#4553955

hallryu

2013-03-15 10:22

I will part with any cash until the problems are fully resolved! I need a new case too! 😀

#4554001

NAMEk

2013-03-15 11:45

Disgusting.

#4554007

TheDeeGee

2013-03-15 11:55

Bah, guess i'm gonna have to wait even longer.

#4554067

warlord

2013-03-15 13:11

help me all these from the beginning problems, can't be fixed with just a bios update.? if not, why.?

#4554075

dsbig

2013-03-15 13:22

I dont even use my usb 3, it disabled in bios. speeds up my boot process when it disabled, so even if I had a haswell chip that had the issue it wouldnt bother me. I dont even use sleep mode.

#4554110

{LOD}PITBULL

2013-03-15 14:11

Hi WE are Intel WE are going to over charge you and you are going to PAY...lol. But wait we also Put out Faulty chips which you will Also pay for.. Suckers... lol.

#4554114

Denial

2013-03-15 14:17

I hate to break it to you guys but every single processor ever made has some form of errata. I mean yeah this is more serious obviously, but if you think they haven't' sold you "faulty" chips in the past you're sorely mistaken.

#4554115

dsbig

2013-03-15 14:18

companies do it... I had compaq computer that wouldnt actually save power in sleep mode because the psu where cheap and didnt have sleep mode. the motherboard would go into sleep mode, but the psu stayed on.

#4554145

Nono06

2013-03-15 15:00

Just a stupid question, how many people here use PC sleep mode/resume with USB 3 drive connected and used by an application while going to sleep? Moreover, just restarting the applications or unplug replug the drive could do the trick. For me it is clearly a minor issue since I only have Sata external drives 🙂

#4554149

-Tj-

2013-03-15 15:13

Im going to get it anyway, i dont use usb3 and hardly put cpu to sleep so its not a big deal for me. 🙂

#4554161

Dragondale13

2013-03-15 15:27

Minor issue, I'm holding out cuz I wanna see NUMBERS, NUMBERS!!!! I LIKE NUMBERS!!!!

#4554163

schmidtbag

2013-03-15 15:31

I hate to break it to you guys but every single processor ever made has some form of errata. I mean yeah this is more serious obviously, but if you think they haven't' sold you "faulty" chips in the past you're sorely mistaken.

Based on the way you're wording that, fault is a relative, maybe even opinionated term. For example, the Phenom II x6 can sometimes outperform an 8-core FX processor, where you could consider the FX to be at fault when really it just isn't optimized for that particular task; the FX isn't worse than the Phenom. In a situation like this, a more suitable word would be deficient or regression. So, perhaps what you meant to say is every chip ever sold has deficiencies/regressions, because it is simply un-realistic to have 1 chip be good at everything. If you really do mean that every chip has had a fault, what were the fault(s) of Sandy Bridge or Core 2 Duo or Athlon II? I'm not saying those didn't have faults, but I simply haven't heard of any. And by faults I mean in ways the chip was intended to be used, so faults in overclocking don't count.

#4554185

Ghosty

2013-03-15 15:55

Will the Haswell CPU's work with existing X79 chipsets?

#4554186

Denial

2013-03-15 15:57

Based on the way you're wording that, fault is a relative, maybe even opinionated term. For example, the Phenom II x6 can sometimes outperform an 8-core FX processor, where you could consider the FX to be at fault when really it just isn't optimized for that particular task; the FX isn't worse than the Phenom. In a situation like this, a more suitable word would be deficient or regression. So, perhaps what you meant to say is every chip ever sold has deficiencies/regressions, because it is simply un-realistic to have 1 chip be good at everything. If you really do mean that every chip has had a fault, what were the fault(s) of Sandy Bridge or Core 2 Duo or Athlon II? I'm not saying those didn't have faults, but I simply haven't heard of any. And by faults I mean in ways the chip was intended to be used, so faults in overclocking don't count.

I'm not talking about performance characteristics, I'm talking about processor errata. Intel documents it on the release of every stepping. Certain programming functions will literally be broken on certain processors. For instance Intel had a TLB bug in it's MMU on Core 2 which would cause hardlock ups of the processor when performing certain operations. Here is an example of the documentation that Intel releases for programming around errata: http://download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/31407918.pdf If you scroll down to page 40 you can see the list of all the problems and workarounds for them. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2477/2 Anandtech did its own write up on the AMD version of the TLB errata. Most of these problems aren't seen by end users because developers are aware and make changes in order to fix, or they are fixable via bios/microcode updates. This USB3 problem I guess is more significant and cannot be fixed via these methods but by a new stepping. But to pretend like processors never have problems and Intel is just now selling a faulty chip is nonsense.

#4554191

freeZ

2013-03-15 16:03

Just a stupid question, how many people here use PC sleep mode/resume with USB 3 drive connected and used by an application while going to sleep? Moreover, just restarting the applications or unplug replug the drive could do the trick. For me it is clearly a minor issue since I only have Sata external drives 🙂

I do. Seems pretty inconvenient for the bleeding edge. Think I'd rather wait till they ironed out this problem before considering it.

#4554223

TheDeeGee

2013-03-15 16:47

Im going to get it anyway, i dont use usb3 and hardly put cpu to sleep so its not a big deal for me. 🙂

You're right. I'm not using Sleep Mode either, nor USB 3.0 on my current motherboard. (But that's because i can't route them to my front panel) I do have a USB 3.0 External HDD and Thumb Drive tho, but i'm a patient person :P I think ill just go for Haswell as soon as they are out. By that time my current CPU hits 3,5 years of age, it's time to retire.

#4554224

TheDeeGee

2013-03-15 16:49