Good. Id rather it be released when its actually done than get released with a massive patch 1 day later. Developers these days really don't put much effort into bug testing. While games are much more complicated than they were back in the early 2000s and 90s, games are often recycled engines and involve teams as large as movie studios, so there's no excuse.

Rockstar are one of the few developers who are brave enough to delay a game, they did the same with Max Payne 3. Even ignoring it from a PC gamer point of view, the fact that in the past console games did not get patches meant that more effort was spent getting it right for Day1, nowadays there isn't that same pressure as nearly everyone is online in some shape or form.

So does that mean a PC release in about April 2014?

I hope not 🙁

Money first, patches later, PC next year. I expect this to be rotten full of bugs just like GTA IV, it's inevitable with such a large map. Look at how many patches BF3 had and in size...2GB just for one patch.

Money first, patches later, PC next year. I expect this to be rotten full of bugs just like GTA IV, it's inevitable with such a large map. Look at how many patches BF3 had and in size...2GB just for one patch.

GTA4 was not "rotten full of bugs".

Money first, patches later, PC next year. I expect this to be rotten full of bugs just like GTA IV, it's inevitable with such a large map. Look at how many patches BF3 had and in size...2GB just for one patch.

Well, performance in BF3 wasn't that bad in the first place, patches just made things even better. Not denying it had issues, but no where near what GTAIV had.

It needed more CPU power and vram than most had at time, but the game wasn't what I considered to be buggy, certainly not for a PC game anyway. While I hope the PC version is delayed as it just needs more time, I hope the delay isn't too long as it will be tempting to not pick up a console version, or even more tempting a next gen console version.

I'd rather wait til 2015 for a pc release, but a real pc version of the game and not that crappy console port like GTA 4.

PC release will 99% come out no earlier than spring 2014. Fuuuuuuuu...

It needed more CPU power and vram than most had at time, but the game wasn't what I considered to be buggy, certainly not for a PC game anyway. While I hope the PC version is delayed as it just needs more time, I hope the delay isn't too long as it will be tempting to not pick up a console version, or even more tempting a next gen console version.

Wouldnt be surprised if this was why its delayed. Though other than a quick drive around the city and blowing a few things up for 5-10mins at most, the only reason i bought 4 was to play with enb and icehancer. Other than that, the GTA series has to be one of the most boring games ive ever played and its going to take more than just making the city bigger, which so far is the only thing ive read or heard gta fans going on about....a bigger city, woohoo so it takes longer to get from a to b during all those lame escort missions, cant wait. Also for a game about grand theft, they need to make cars actually driveable this time instead making them like 4x4s with jello wheels.

So GTA 5 for PC in 2014 that is a pretty long time to wait, GTA 4 for PC was out on Dec 2008, wow that is almost 6 years between them! I hope it will run well on ivy+kepler combination and not suck like GTA 4 did on that era's hardware (bloomfied+crossfire hd5850 cried when they had to run it!), actually i hope it runs on the better RAGE engine used in Max Payne 3, then i can forget about updating my rig in 2013! more savings for me since i have a GF.. ouch 😉

Wouldnt be surprised if this was why its delayed. Though other than a quick drive around the city and blowing a few things up for 5-10mins at most, the only reason i bought 4 was to play with enb and icehancer. Other than that, the GTA series has to be one of the most boring games ive ever played and its going to take more than just making the city bigger, which so far is the only thing ive read or heard gta fans going on about....a bigger city, woohoo so it takes longer to get from a to b during all those lame escort missions, cant wait. Also for a game about grand theft, they need to make cars actually driveable this time instead making them like 4x4s with jello wheels.

Well, I have to disagree with you. GTA IV driving is really great, physx, graphics i loved at the time. Big city, great story line (for me). I like very much that they used more languages in game, various soundtracks not english only. Ingame games. I missed some submissions, but no biggie. Performance of the game is a disaster. Bugs, glitches, reappearing textures, slow texture drawing. After updates, bugs and glitches were reduced to a minimum. Performance is still bad, really bad. Mouse controlling is ported, crappy.

mm, i can see it clearly, there is still no gpu and cpu combo to play that smoothly, optimized really unprofessionally so their only hope is slowing it down, not pushing a complete computing fail like GTA IV

Who really cares when we have Sleeping Dogs, which is far superior to anything I've experienced while playing a GTA game; better graphics, better performance (rock solid 60 fps on a single 7970 with everything maxed except AA downsampled from 1440p,), better story, better characters, etc. GTA IV ran like crap for years, had so much boring filler material, and worst of all for me, the characters were complete a**holes. I didn't mind Niko that much, but the rest of the losers, I just wanted to shoot them all myself. Movement felt sluggish on foot and in vehicles too.

Sleeping Dogs is a good game and its great looking, but it doesn't have the scale of GTAIV, and V will be even bigger. The expansions in 4 were great as i also found the main campaign disappointing but as good as some of these others games are most people will just look at them as GTA clones.

Well, part of my disliking the GTA series is being an American, I find the stereotyped characters boring and annoying. Hong Kong is a refreshing change of pace for me I guess.

only one game will be perfect and open world, watchdogs by noobisoft erm ubisoft... all others like gta v and sleeping dogs are like ps3/xbox360 games

Sleeping Dogs is a good game and its great looking, but it doesn't have the scale of GTAIV, and V will be even bigger. The expansions in 4 were great as i also found the main campaign disappointing but as good as some of these others games are most people will just look at them as GTA clones.

Size dont mean jack if theres nothing to do except the same boring missions a item collecting over and over. I live in a fairly large city by NZ standards, but theres still f'all to do around here unless you enjoy going to the museum everyday. Point is, GTA as your aware, is a game. Yet the best rockstar comes up with in every gta is a bigger city with nothing but point a to point b missions. You could do anything you want when making a game yet they think i want to play a travel and courier simulator, better yet its always set in you typical violent scesspool of an american city. Yawn. Oh and even though its america and theres all these gun stores around, I cant buy anything from a shotgun and upwards untill ive done enough of pick up this guy, drive me around while i complain about life, beat this guy up, quick the cops are onto us heres a quick tuturial on how to drive even though ive be doing it for the last hour and half, awesome we lost them. Now my cousin needs a lift (this is where R* version of variety comes in) when we pick up my cousin you to take him to A so he can pick up a package, this package is worth a bit so you may need to help him ruff some dudes up to acquire this package, now the cops are onto us so we're going to have a bita heat on us when we bust outa there so i hope you know how to drive. Clever arent they ol'R*, they combine all the crap missions into one every now and then just to make you think that theres lots to do. Saints Row is superior in everyway, why? Because its actually fun. It was designed with the idea that the gamers play games to escape reality or do things one couldnt normally do in everyday life, not hang out in a boring ass city full of collective losers with dreams that are bigger than what all the characters in gta are worth combined.

^ agree up to the part about saints row. that game is bad by every standard. it doesn't take itself seriously, i know, but that doesn't excuse it from being bad. sleeping dogs did it right.

Personal taste isn't a fact, many might prefer Sleeping Dogs to GTAIV, but there are just as many who think it no more than a smaller scale copy. As for Saints Row that was just bad in every way, while GTA taking itself too serious made much of it dull, Saints Row was too far in the opposite direction, so much so I was pleased that THQ went tits up as the new owners can only improve it.