The first AIB cards start at 780€ here. MSI Ventus 2X OC - 780€ MSI Gaming X Slim - 850€ Nothing else available right now. So I guess these are "higher" tier AIB models.

First AIB card here Msi Ventus 2x oc 699€. Thats actually 150€ more than regular 4070 Ventus 2x.

Ventus 2X is lowest "MSI tier" there is, at least this has been the case for the regular 4070.

mackintosh:

They seem like a decent enough upgrade over their predecessors - and had these cards been released a year ago they'd be a whole lot more attractive. I feel though that coming this late in the cycle a lot of people will be on the fence whether to just wait it out until the 5000s. Pricing seems to have settled, and barring any other unforeseen worldwide calamities, it's unlikely the future gen will see a significant price bump. That said, I'm still looking forward to the other two.

If the 4070 Ti Super with its 16 Gig VRAM upgrade was like $50 bucks cheaper I'd say, alright, that's not bad by new standards. $800 bucks for 16 gigs of VRAM stings, but there's no way I'm going with less in 2024 since I want to be able to run games with Max textures/shadowmaps, RT enabled, and also apps open in the background which consume some VRAM. These cards are nice for those who need to upgrade right away, but for me I think I'm just gonna wait til the next slew of releases/the next big architectural overhaul and hope the base 5070 has more VRAM that go around. These prices have been bad enough that I'm starting to lean more towards just getting an AMD or Intel GPU (assuming Battle Mage is all its cracked up to be). I do like Nvidia's features, but they went too far this gen in my view and the non-super 4000 series was basically DOA imo. I don't really care how much faster the 4070 Super is because you're still straddled with 12 Gigs of VRAM for like 600 dollars.

Four versions of the 4070 come the end of the month, add in the various AIB versions and price crossovers, good luck being new to PC gaming and working all that out.

aufkrawall2:

You need to buy Nvidia for path/bullsh*t tracing (ideally in >1k€ class) and that won't change for many years. Also A770 16GB < 3060 in "PT": [SPOILER] https://tpucdn.com/review/alan-wake-2-performance-benchmark/images/performance-pt-1920-1080.png [/SPOILER]

No need for that, we already know AMD is garbage for PT/RT/etc.

aufkrawall2:

Ventus 2X is lowest "MSI tier" there is, at least this has been the case for the regular 4070.

Suprim X is their highest end model. How much would that cost. 🙄

pegasus1:

Four versions of the 4070 come the end of the month, add in the various AIB versions and price crossovers, good luck being new to PC gaming and working all that out.

Buy FE if available is pretty safe usually? Decent little Mid-Low card and 220W power usage.

AuerX:

No need for that, we already know AMD is garbage for PT/RT/etc.

AMD does well in EU5 games when lumen is used.

aufkrawall2:

Ventus 2X is lowest "MSI tier" there is, at least this has been the case for the regular 4070.

There's two 4070 models available here: "Ventus 2X E" (611€) and "Ventus 2X OC" (712€).

Nice performance . but I just visited a RO site and the 4070 SUPER starts at 700E. The 4070 SUPER asus tuf is 900E ... ffs ... it's a GOOD card but c'mon ... the 4070 TI Super will be 850 - 1100E ____ I know that the are way superior against my 7800XT ASUS TUF ... but I payed 635E . Normally IN MY HEART I am an Nvidia fan, the 7800xt being the first AMD/ATI card in like 15 - 18 years.

AMD is the better choice if you're after raster performance. Sure, the 4090 will beat the 7900XTX, but you're going to get awfully close to its performance at literally half the price. For RT/PT however even the 4070S seems to match or even outperform it in most games. Pick your poison. Personally I like pretty things, so Nvidia is getting all my money for now.

mackintosh:

AMD is the better choice if you're after raster performance. Sure, the 4090 will beat the 7900XTX, but you're going to get awfully close to its performance at literally half the price. For RT/PT however even the 4070S seems to match or even outperform it in most games. Pick your poison. Personally I like pretty things, so Nvidia is getting all my money for now.

Well said. It's a personal choice based on many factors.

tunejunky:

strange thing here - where Nvidia is HQ'd a 10 minute drive away - the FE's unless bought directly from Nvidia are always more expensive than an AIB solution. primarily due to wc enthusiasts buying these for loops. most blocks are for FEs and are almost immediately (2-3 months) available vs. AIB blocks

I don`t want to offend anyone but buying GPUs directly from Nvidia is criminal for me...

wavetrex:

Nice ! The market is slowly healing. Slowly. But at least it is. If the trend continues, next gen will definitely be interesting, from both sides !

Healing!? Cards are still expensive as hell!!! This thing should be 500€ max in a normal world!...

Undying:

Prices need to go down more hopefully AMD will respond with some price cuts on the 7000 series.

AMD can`t continue to cut prices on their GPUs, they are better off cutting their production...

fantaskarsef:

21% more cores at a bin or two higher clocks, with 10% increased TDP, netting ~15% more performance? I'm just moving along, thanks.

Agreed.

Sitting on my 2070S this might be the GPU im waiting for, but i will wait where the prices go, 3rd party 4070S wont be cheap, even the regular 4070 starts here at 600 euro and up to 700+ euro depending on brand, maybe i just go for the plain 4070 once i see it for 550..

mackintosh:

AMD is the better choice if you're after raster performance. Sure, the 4090 will beat the 7900XTX, but you're going to get awfully close to its performance at literally half the price. For RT/PT however even the 4070S seems to match or even outperform it in most games. Pick your poison. Personally I like pretty things, so Nvidia is getting all my money for now.

Yea that was me as well, don't play competitive games so I prefer eye candy over super high frame rates. As long as the game runs smooth (~60 FPS) it's good enough for me. AMD would've had my GPU money for the first time this round had they been at least competitive on the RT front or didn't have that unrealistic launch price (when I was building my rig end of 2022). Also looking at the prices; here in Australia if you were to convert USD MSRP and slap on our sales tax (for example) the 4080 Super should come in at ~$1650 AUD but on NV's website it's listed the AU MSRP at $1870 AUD and that fat on top carried across the entire Super stack which makes me think we are not going to see MSRP (at least here anyway) especially with the reported shortages due to production capacity shifted to AI. I went (maybe stupidly) against the grain and picked up a MSI 4080 Gaming X Slim on the weekend instead of waiting for the Super launch as a local retailer had a flash sale and had the card at $1649 AUD. Figured what's the point of waiting if the price of the Super is mostly likely going to be higher (for a base model) and for very negligible performance increase (judging by the specs), the Gaming X Slim comes with out of the box OC higher than the stock Super boost clock anyway.

mackintosh:

AMD is the better choice if you're after raster performance. Sure, the 4090 will beat the 7900XTX, but you're going to get awfully close to its performance at literally half the price. For RT/PT however even the 4070S seems to match or even outperform it in most games. Pick your poison. Personally I like pretty things, so Nvidia is getting all my money for now.

Ironically you have to be rich to buy AMD. If you have 3 or 4 computers in your house then you can goof around and buy AMD GPU (or even Intel GPU) for one of your builds. But if my friend asked which GPU to buy for mid range build that he'll want to use for years and years, I would feel guilty and ashamed if I recommended AMD, because I know it's inferior in every aspect and every feature.

Glottiz:

Ironically you have to be rich to buy AMD. If you have 3 or 4 computers in your house then you can goof around and buy AMD GPU (or even Intel GPU) for one of your builds. But if my friend asked which GPU to buy for mid range build that he'll want to use for years and years, I would feel guilty and ashamed if I recommended AMD, because I know it's inferior in every aspect and every feature.

Only advantage amd has is the vram but thats a huge one. Where will 4070 card be with its 12gb vram in 2-3 years trying to run RT. It will have the same fate as 3070 and its 8gb simply unable to do what is designed for.

Undying:

Only advantage amd has is the vram but thats a huge one. Where will 4070 card be with its 12gb vram in 2-3 years trying to run RT. It will have the same fate as 3070 and its 8gb simply unable to do what is designed for.

ray trace aside, gaming will be fine as long as consoles are a step behind.

insp1re2600:

ray trace aside, gaming will be fine as long as consoles are a step behind.

Nope and nope. 12GB already are not enough in Ratchet & Clank with very high textures + RT. And this is just one obvious case, there are more which aren't as striking in 30s benchmark sequences. I guess brace for future copium wars. "My game crashes, the developer is so incompetent. Boo-hoo!!"