European Core i7 8700K Coffee Lake prices Spotted in Germany
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Yxskaft
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-ryzen-5-1600-1600x-vs-core-i5-7500k-review
I really liked Digitalfoundry's Ryzen 5 vs i5 article. They noticed that Ryzen 5 holds up better in the more demanding scenes. i5 ultimately has higher averages, due to getting better framerates in the "empty" scenes, but DF prefers the Ryzen 5 due to its better performance where performance is most important.
oxidized
Not good, but not even that bad
Jorge Nascimento
Venix
Why people keep bringing the 1800x price to comparison to make the i7 look like better deals? With the 1700 out there is not even point doing that since the 1700 clocks about the same and costs 200 usd less. Also the maximun diference on fhd is with 1080ti , with 1070 ,1060 480 580 etc the diference is way smaller to non existant , i guess everyone on an i5 and i7 planning to get a 1080/ti then to play on 1080p!
Y0!
And no actual link to the shop? www.lambda-tek.de
I'm a bit confused with the prices actually, is Intel trying to convince us of its not being concerned with Ryzen at all? I mean, 8700K should completely demolish Ryzen 1600X to cost so much, which I highly doubt it will tbh.
xIcarus
Silva
xIcarus
Kaarme
ChrisMa
I wanted to build a new PC and was just waiting for the new generation to be released but now I really have to question that decision.
For gaming the I7-8700k isnt really better than a i7-7700k. In some benchmarks it is slightly better, in other benchmarks it is slightly worse and since multicore performance isnt important for gaming at all it makes no sense paying 100€ more for a CPU that performs exactly the same as generation 7 CPU. Additionally to that you have to calculate the costs of a new mainboard and here I highly doubt that the z370 boards (which will be outdated just a few months later) will cost the same price as their z270 counterparts. It is more likely to assume that the z370 boards will be most expensive because they are new (while they actually do not perform any better than the z270 boards).
So for gaming you have to pay extra for the CPU without any real benefit and you most likely have to pay extra for the mainboards without any additional benefit (and the knowledge that in 2018 these boards will be outdated again).
"But they have better multicore performance"
Yeah... so does Ryzen.
If you want the PC for working then its better to go with a Ryzen CPU because you get more performance for lower price.
If you want gaming performance you stick with i7-7700k because the i7-8700k isnt any better.
"But future games will have multicore support and i7-8700k will rock eventually"
Yeah, I heard the same song 6-7 years ago when the first quad and eight core CPUs were released. In the meantime we got 2-3? games which effectively make use of multiple cores.
Do you really still believe in that fairytale?
If Intel would release the new CPU for a reasonable price (which they wont) I would be able to overlook the disadvantages like being stuck on a warmed up series of z270 boards.
But lets face it, if you want the K CPU you have to take these z370 boards which are not better than a z270 and when finally the true 300 series Z boards get released in late 2018, intel is probably not far away from releasing their 9th Generation of CPUs which yet again will need a new socket.
The more I think about the new intel CPUs and how they are released (timing and pricing) the more I start to believe that waiting for Generation 8 Intel CPUs was a huge mistake.
For gaming older Intel CPUs are cheaper and offer the same performance for 99.9% of the games.
For working Ryzen is also cheaper and will most likely outperform the new Intel CPUs.
Intel probably should start to re-think how they treat their customers or they will lose a big bunch of them with such a release policy.
Kaarme
ChrisMa
AAA games are more GPU demanding then CPU demanding.
Only very few of them truely require 4 cores, and by that 4 threads are actually enough in most cases. Most of the games that tell you that a quad core is required actually run very well on dual core with ht (of course not with the same performance but they run).
More cores are mainly needed for streaming or additional tools running on the PC.
Most of the games, including modern AAA titles focus on 1-2 cores. In many cases this is even the more logical design for games which require linear calculations.
However, thats not even the point. Until a few weeks ago for every Intel gamer 4 cores were enough... all of a sudden it isnt? If so then Ryzen is as much an option as Coffee Lake.
fry178
@ChrisMa
gaming at higher than 1080p and ryzen is as fast as intel.
any newer game will run on more than 4C.
there is a difference between min/rec, and what the game can use, if resources are there....
besides that, future will be optimized for more cores, especially since cheap 6/8C from amd will allow more gamers/user to get them,
as well as the next consoles will have more cores, so why chose intel for single thread perf?
it might do good for another year or two, doubt its more.
and since most are not replacing their hardware every 1-2y, ryzen is always the better choice,
unless gaming at 108p or lower, but then again a faster gpu will have larger impact.
Kaarme
Venix
Emille
What's all this talk about games requiring 6 or 8 cores etc....
Look at games core usage now. There is 1 or 2 heavy threads and a bunch of extremely low core usage threads.
Game developers aren't going to make some deliberately heavy thread loads just to take advantage of new cores. The games will have a bunch of 5% core usage type threads spread across more cores, new cores will be utilized, but those tiny tasks won't be pushing all cores to their limit or something.
You will still always have that 1 thread that is extremely heavy, having 8 cores won't take that away. So having more cores will be slightly beneficial, and having higher ipc and core speed will be slightly beneficial. It's not an either/or scenario. It's not like if amd made a 32 core gaming chip at 2.5ghz it would be sick for gaming, or if intel made an i5 at 6ghz that it would be the best chip for gaming.
The only way I can see new cores being actually saturated is if developers start doing coding for extreme amount of background ai and pathing etc to save on loading or stutter, or if some heavy cpu physics was implemented now that cpus could handle that sort of thing.
Your stock standard AAA game is going to have borderline flatline usage on all those extra threads, and heavy on the thread for the most intensive task, same as always.