As i read older news, its just like another cirkus to atract bilionares and investors ... "mission to mars look cool" but in practically Why not on moon again??..)) becouse cirkus must go , After 40 years of talking "how cool willl be benefit from moon and building bases there ".. we see nuffing , just another populistic talk from musk theatro.. There is problems from radiation on space station iss and he want go to mars.. omg lol.,,. While Russians take another first nation to space-saudis , easy like with "finger in noose" )) and do practicall resarch and other in space.. Also us gov have mega big budget deficit and overspending in us military, homeless everywhere,no health care, ... only "hopium" will do mission on mars..)) or it will "one time shoot" to mars

I'd say shares in SpaceX will go through the roof in next 20 years... this would be like getting shares in Microsoft or Apple in 1980... If I had $10m spare... I might buy some...

This is totally awesome ! I watched it how it got built by following several Youtube channels and blogs, and also watched the presentation live. What a time to be alive... to see people start living on the Moon (~10 years?) and perhaps Mars (~20 years?). And all the tech developments that will happen to make that possible will trickle down in our day to day lives, like it has happened with everything else that was developed for the 60s "space race".... like GPS for example. @Znicus , please go back to your cave and never come out again.

geogan:

I'd say shares in SpaceX will go through the roof in next 20 years... this would be like getting shares in Microsoft or Apple in 1980... If I had $10m spare... I might buy some...

SpaceX is NOT a publicly traded company so you can't buy shares in it.

wavetrex:

This is totally awesome ! I watched it how it got built by following several Youtube channels and blogs, and also watched the presentation live. What a time to be alive... to see people start living on the Moon (~10 years?) and perhaps Mars (~20 years?). And all the tech developments that will happen to make that possible will trickle down in our day to day lives, like it has happened with everything else that was developed for the 60s "space race".... like GPS for example. @Znicus , please go back to your cave and never come out again.

I agree wavetrex. Makes you wonder why anyone who thinks Musk has never accomplished anything would even bother to come here and make negative comments about him. He should educated himself a little better.

gdmaclew:

I agree wavetrex. Makes you wonder why anyone who thinks Musk has never accomplished anything would even bother to come here and make negative comments about him. He should educated himself a little better.

To be fair, Musk does fail to deliver on a lot of his promises or hopes. I absolutely commend his ambitions and find him to be the Nikola Tesla or Benjamin Franklin of the 21st century. But... he has a tendency to completely forget about things such as laws while overestimating his employees' capabilities. There's a reason why so many Tesla cars have production issues. There's a reason why there have been so may delays with SpaceX. There's a reason why so many of his ideas for the Boring company have been scrapped. All that being said, I take a lot of his goals with a few molecules of salt. I believe he'll get some results, but I don't have high expectations we'll get what he says.

gdmaclew:

SpaceX is NOT a publicly traded company so you can't buy shares in it.

It's not? Oh FFS. Thought it was. Wonder why it isn't. Does Elon not like losing control or something? Thought he was going around looking for funding from all sorts of weird ideas and people.

Here's a 8 min highlight video.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTPYUox41bU [youtube=cTPYUox41bU]

geogan:

It's not? Oh FFS. Thought it was. Wonder why it isn't. Does Elon not like losing control or something? Thought he was going around looking for funding from all sorts of weird ideas and people.

You make a company public when all you care about is maximizing revenue, or, when you need lots of cash but can't depend on investors. I may not know Elon personally, but I never saw wealth as his #1 priority. As the article stated, companies like SpaceX do have investors. EDIT: These companies are more of his brainchild. Letting shareholders dictate how his companies are run would totally ruin them, because shareholders aren't willing to take huge risks.

"To be fair, Musk does fail to deliver on a lot of his promises or hopes. I absolutely commend his ambitions and find him to be the Nikola Tesla or Benjamin Franklin of the 21st century. But... he has a tendency to completely forget about things such as laws while overestimating his employees' capabilities. There's a reason why so many Tesla cars have production issues. There's a reason why there have been so may delays with SpaceX. There's a reason why so many of his ideas for the Boring company have been scrapped." Like the other poster said... "educate yourself."

Jacque Fresco talked about subterranean city transportation systems in the 70's - and it was about cargo/items/stuff/trash. And that makes sense... you can carry objects as much as you need underground in storage pods, nobody will really care if something gets broken and a pod gets stuck in a tunnel for days until it's dug out. Live people on the other hand... yeah, you don't want that. Stuff like hyperloop and/or the underground network for electric cars will probably not be accepted by the masses due to natural claustrophobia of most people. What about subway/metro which is being used today by billions of people ? Well... the subway tunnels are fairly large and in many cases they contain both directions. If a train gets stuck for whatever reason, there's still plenty of space for emergency crews to go and rescue the people. A car sized tunnel however with just 1-2 people in a car, surrounded by nothing but concrete on all sides... yea, that is bad. SCARY. You're alone. In a subway you're never alone... the conductor can announce on the intercom: "Please stay calm, help will arrive". You don't have that when you're alone in your car. Elon's Boring underground network will most likely be boring indeed... as it will only carry cargo. But amazing at the same time if it happens... imagine no big and noisy trucks above the ground anywhere in the city !

schmidtbag:

To be fair, Musk does fail to deliver on a lot of his promises or hopes. I absolutely commend his ambitions and find him to be the Nikola Tesla or Benjamin Franklin of the 21st century. But... he has a tendency to completely forget about things such as laws while overestimating his employees' capabilities. There's a reason why so many Tesla cars have production issues. There's a reason why there have been so may delays with SpaceX. There's a reason why so many of his ideas for the Boring company have been scrapped. All that being said, I take a lot of his goals with a few molecules of salt. I believe he'll get some results, but I don't have high expectations we'll get what he says.

Very much agree, Musk has failed many of his endeavors, but at the same time it is quite cool that as a billionaire he spends his money on what is basically research.

@wavetrex there is a big difference between landing a rocket on a ship, and having a ship (containing humans) travel safely for +2y (return trip?) thru space, not even talking about staying there. i doubt all of the first 10 trips will go without a major disaster (knowing how many things can/will go wrong, even with "rocket scientist" behind it) not saying it will 100%, but see how many times we went to the moon, in total (incl just to circle it), and how many of those trips were 100% perfect from start to finish? similar with nuclear power. theoretically "we" will have one major accident (like a core melt) in a billions years of operating a plant, yet chernobyl (one major accident we know about) happened within not even 50y of using it for power. e.g. disregarding all the stuff like enough air/water/heat/food or even navigation and a reliable ship/engines, google how much protection a spaceship needs to survive an impact of any object hitting it at travel speed when its the size of - a sandcorn - a cherry pit then google how many objects are circling our system, that are bigger than that. so until we're on a STW/ST level of travel (e.g. force fields to counter space debris/forces of de-/acceleration etc), its gonna be a lot more risky than what we do know in any form.

Yet somehow probes with fancy electronics and camera sensors survive in space 30-40 years... No, it's not THAT dangerous as some people make it to be. The Van Allen belts are dangerous indeed as the Earth's magnetosphere seem to focus radiation in a tight spot, but if leaving orbit on a different angle to avoid the belts (and getting out quickly), the radiation during the rest of the trip can be mitigated by simply having 10cm of water in the walls of the spaceship. --- Chernobyl happened because of a few idiots and some secrets. Not because there was a major technical problem. Many power plants with the same identical design are still in operation today without incident. Really bad example you gave. Stuff goes wrong, but humanity has already many years of experience in how to work around those... most modern stuff that goes in space has redundancies, and those that will go to Mars with humans will have SERIOUS redundancy. Like... 5 computers to do the job of 1... even if 2 out of 5 fail completely beyond repair, the 3 that remain can still do "voting" on the calculation results. And I'm sure whatever craft will go there will be built in such a way that it can be repaired either inside the pressurized space, or via space-walks. No hardware that is completely inaccessible. There's no need for that today, soon "Starship" (probably Mark 2 in 10+ years) will be sufficiently large to have crawl spaces everywhere important, so the astronauts can fix their stuff and not die. Remember StarTrek "Jefferies tubes" ? They exist in the show for a reason. Not just as plot elements... --- Finally, stuff that just "circles in space" Strangely, none of the probes that were sent to various places in the last 50 years hit something... (unless we intended them to crash into a planet). Why? Because all those billions of "circling objects" are so far away from each other that it's not even funny. The closest distance between two asteroids in the belt are many tens of Earth diameters apart. The entire Earth could fly through there and hit nothing ! Micro-meteors and space dust does exist indeed, but it's quite easy to protect against them (think: Kevlar vest - It stops a bullet by dissipating it's energy on a large surface. Same principle can be applied on a Mars Mission). The chance of a micro-meteor/space dust hitting in the exact same spot during one trip is practically NIL. But there might be many little holes in the protective armor by the time it returns, indeed. --- You worry too much. The only reason we haven't gone to Mars yet and do not have a Moon base is... MONEY. And no political interest. If that exists, there will be Moon bases and Mars colonies... quite soon !

We could send our nuclear waste to the Moon!.....or better yet send it on a collision course with the Sun!....unlimited energy with a great disposal!

I think Elon Musk should stick to cars because at least he is successful with those unlike the other endeavors he tried such as the Hyperloop.

Fender178:

I think Elon Musk should stick to cars because at least he is successful with those unlike the other endeavors he tried such as the Hyperloop.

I think you should get your facts straight. Elon didn't try ANYTHING related to Hyperloop, he just threw an idea in the wind and let others think about ways to implement it. What he did do is form The Boring Company, with the purpose of developing ways to tunnel rapidly through the ground of Earth... the Moon... and Mars in a fast and efficient way. What will move through those tunnels... it remains to be seen, in time. Surprisingly, he was successful so far with each and every investment that he did. Starting with Paypal. That's probably why so many people are jealous... he succeeds too much.

wavetrex:

I think you should get your facts straight. Elon didn't try ANYTHING related to Hyperloop, he just threw an idea in the wind and let others think about ways to implement it. What he did do is form The Boring Company, with the purpose of developing ways to tunnel rapidly through the ground of Earth... the Moon... and Mars in a fast and efficient way. What will move through those tunnels... it remains to be seen, in time. Surprisingly, he was successful so far with each and every investment that he did. Starting with Paypal. That's probably why so many people are jealous... he succeeds too much.

Whatever his Idea was IMPOSSIBLE regardless.

@wavetrex your last sentence is pretty much part of the reason why it WONT be safe, as it cost multiple times more money, not only improvements/protection etc, but also to bring the additional weight into space. might wanna talk to actual ppl that do that stuff, and they will tell you a kevlar vest is nothing against objects going 30 Mls/s.

what i want to see is bezos dropping off a bigger rocket to crash elon's next party back when he threw shade on musk for achieving propulsive landings after him that was real good, competition usually makes things go way faster i somehow feel more confident on his insane timetables now that spacex is in what appears to be very solid footing, with a near monopoly on commercial global launches and even starting to pick on that gov-military pie, now if this gargantuan ship goes even half as good as hoped, things will rapidly get out of hand