So poking around the XML dump of this driver as per what I tend to try to do and list for new AMD driver updates shows these changes this time: 🙂
Driver version is 17.30.1091 up from 17.30.1081 dated September 18th compared to September 5th.
For Crossfire we have these changes.
Call of Duty Black Ops 3 was updated.
For Honor was updated.
Project Cars 2 was updated.
PUBG or Player Unknown's Battle Grounds was added.
Not too much this month, main thing was obviously Vega Crossfire support.
Also comparing the INF itself and assuming it's a bug it looks like the Turbo Sync / Enhanced Sync property is missing(?) from the Vega GPU settings in 17.9.2 so that could possibly be why there's a known issue listing enhanced sync as possibly missing from CNext in this driver and a clean driver install as the recommended for seeing if it comes back. 🙂
17.9.2
I think ECC refers to color settings of some sort so both might be valid, only T-Sync was replaced by ECC in 17.9.2 instead of having both properties but I don't know for sure, still it might be enough to add it in manually in the registry and rebooting and it might be back after that. 🙂
IIRC PCars1 (a gameworks title) suffered a lot on AMD cards (and even some older gen NV cards) when many objects were on screen like grass, probably a draw calls limitation on top of maxwell optimization. Ian pointed that the graphics engine has some 80% new code for efficiency, so I wonder how decently AMD cards will run it this time.
You cant judge the drivers content if it isn't the full
WHQL driver is what im saying.
WHQL drivers are the same Beta drivers that gets pushed out but comes with an added signing/certificate from Microsoft, and most of the time these WHQL releases are older drivers compared to the latest Beta and might have fixes missing due to the fact that this whole signing process involves time and money. WHQL doesn't necessarily make drivers bulletproof or "full/complete" as you're implying.
Only difference between a "whql" driver and a "non-whql" driver is that the whql driver has the " this isn't going to crash on 99% of systems under 99% of circumstances, we're pretty sure" offical mircrosoft stamp of the approval, which doesn't mean much.
All of the drivers are signed through the msdn dev portal these days, can't even permanently install an unsigned driver for normal usage on a fresh install of 64bit windows 10. (link)
There are 3 kinds of Drivers on ATI side:
1. Beta driver (More buggy than usuall)
2. Pre-WHQL driver (Less Buggy and very good driver)
3 WHQL Mature Driver (Best Driver with signature)
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WHQL always have better Termals & needs less v to run:
Non-WHQL = 1120/550 1.218v +12POW
WHQL = 1120/550 1.212v +12POW
On my Test Runs in 3Dmark 13.
:D Also with ATI, WHQL actually means something 😉
Proof.
Never in my life have i seen AMD drivers not giving something extra ive never seen on every driver release.
according to you thats isnt the case.
i challenge you to prove your point.
From the aforementioned image, you can see that the current optional driver (read: BETA) is 17.9.2
And the current (read: Suggested) driver is the older 17.7.2 which comes with the WHQL certification.
WHQL stands for Windows Hardware Quality Labs which is a Microsoft procedure for certifying that the hardware for peripherals and other components is compatible (works as expected) with Microsoft Windows operating systems. WHQL provides test kits to third-party developers so that they can test their product's compatibility. If a peripheral (read: in this case a Graphics card) comes with drivers which are not WHQL certified, upon attempting to installing such drivers, you may receive a warning message that the driver for it is not signed, and in some cases you might be barred from installing that driver altogether. This WHQL certification process takes time, therefore there's a good chance that by the time a driver is approved by the WHQL testing, a newer Beta drivers could be available as can be seen above.
WHQL drivers assure that these won't go blam!!1!!Icrashed!!1!! once you boot into your OS and has stable functionality whereas the Beta drivers can come with all sorts of problems. (It may not be necessarily the case always but Beta means pre-release and there's room for improvement)
The current 17.7.2 WHQL drivers came out as 17.7.2 Beta first and there's essentially no difference between the WHQL and Beta release of the 17.7.2 drivers apart from the signing. There may have been subtle fixes pushed but none of it was mentioned in the change logs, and as for someone who has updated from 17.7.2 Beta to WHQL I can tell you this from experience that they are exactly the same. You don't see every Beta driver released get the WHQL certification because
It may not be as stable to have pass the WHQL testing, or
The process involves royalties which is why AMD doesn't bother.
AMD's next WHQL release, once approved, could be 17.9.2 if they wish for it to get signed by Microsoft, but by the time they do that, something like 17.10.1 or 17.11.1 could be the latest Beta available which will contain updated profiles for games that the WHQL drivers will lack.
I hope you'll not continue to argue and make this more embarrassing for yourself any further. Unlike the other members, I at least tried explaining it to you as we all come here to share our experiences and learn. The least you can do is do a bit of research for yourself before brazenly disregard everything that the others are saying.
Proof.
Never in my life have i seen AMD drivers not giving something extra ive never seen on every driver release.
according to you thats isnt the case.
i challenge you to prove your point.
most of the time we do get minor incremental changes from the last beta, largely the same, maybe an optimization for a game or too added, they don't always release their internal version.
however this is not always the case.
as an example 17.2.1 was first released as an optional update (non-whql), then later re released as whql , both packages are near 100% identical bar maybe a few bug fixes and installer package changes, they even share the same release notes.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous?os=Windows%2010%20-%2064 take a gander, this has happened more than once.
a better way to track driver versions in amds driver is to check the internal ATI driver version number usually listed at the top of the INF, or by checking the file versions.
number at the top of the inf looks like this 16.60.2011-170210a-311199C-ATI usually.
relive is the recording software.
this isnt proof.
show me the change log that lists the changes in the WHQL drivers that are allso in the beta drivers.
This is not a proof thread. Make a new thread. move on.
And we have a new contender for the whiniest member competition I see haha
I will give these a go for PUBG, 17.9.1 have been been great on all the games I play so hopefully 17.9.2 should not be too different
Very spammy behavior freakyfreaky,
There are many situations where AMD released a Beta driver only to re-release it as WHQL a few weeks later. WHQL is nothing more than a Microsoft signing certification where the driver is tested and validated matching MS criteria. There will be very little but often no change in-between the two builds.
Re-live is the new name for the driver, and was introduced with the optional recording suite. Ergo, the drivers these days are called AMD Radeon Software Crimson ReLive.
I think the weird and irritated discussion now needs to end, and I would suggest you'd listen. You're not talking to a bunch of newbies here, most and wise guru3d forum regulars have been around longer in these forums than what seems to be your age.
EDIT: User removed.
Woohoo, a pCARS2 profile on release day!
Although I have to say that it runs a lot better than pCARS1 with 17.9.1 and other drivers over recent months. Even 2560x1440 is very playable with the default graphics settings, in pCARS1 I had to drop to 1080p.
WHQL sign is required to put the driver on the Windows Update Servers & Catalog or for Window compatibility logo print on retail boxes. As for 2014 Microsoft does no longer ask for fees for non-server driver versions (Verisign&co certifications fees still apply). WHQL sign also suppress a warning messages installation (which can be suppressed for all signer drivers by user). WHQL software tests can be executed by third party company too with the certification hardware kit.
Summary: WHQL doesn't mean "non beta" or whatever, in all cases the quality of drivers are left to the third party companies.
17.9.2 still jerky with panning the camera around in SWTOR. Requires to set FlipQueue using RadeonMod to correct. (I use 1, Default of 3 is still jerky)
There are 3 kinds of Drivers on ATI side:
1. Beta driver (More buggy than usuall)
2. Pre-WHQL driver (Less Buggy and very good driver)
3 WHQL Mature Driver (Best Driver with signature)
==
WHQL always have better Termals & needs less v to run:
Non-WHQL = 1120/550 1.218v +12POW
WHQL = 1120/550 1.212v +12POW
On my Test Runs in 3Dmark 13.
:D Also with ATI, WHQL actually means something 😉
It is not ATI since 2006, get that fact in mind and move on...
Is there any kind of eta on "Overwatch™ may experience a random or intermittent hang on some system configurations." fix ?
https://i.imgur.com/uT8ryY4.jpg
From the aforementioned image, you can see that the current optional driver (read: BETA) is 17.9.2 And the current (read: Suggested) driver is the older 17.7.2 which comes with the WHQL certification. WHQL stands for Windows Hardware Quality Labs which is a Microsoft procedure for certifying that the hardware for peripherals and other components is compatible (works as expected) with Microsoft Windows operating systems. WHQL provides test kits to third-party developers so that they can test their product's compatibility. If a peripheral (read: in this case a Graphics card) comes with drivers which are not WHQL certified, upon attempting to installing such drivers, you may receive a warning message that the driver for it is not signed, and in some cases you might be barred from installing that driver altogether. This WHQL certification process takes time, therefore there's a good chance that by the time a driver is approved by the WHQL testing, a newer Beta drivers could be available as can be seen above. WHQL drivers assure that these won't go blam!!1!!Icrashed!!1!! once you boot into your OS and has stable functionality whereas the Beta drivers can come with all sorts of problems. (It may not be necessarily the case always but Beta means pre-release and there's room for improvement) The current 17.7.2 WHQL drivers came out as 17.7.2 Beta first and there's essentially no difference between the WHQL and Beta release of the 17.7.2 drivers apart from the signing. There may have been subtle fixes pushed but none of it was mentioned in the change logs, and as for someone who has updated from 17.7.2 Beta to WHQL I can tell you this from experience that they are exactly the same. You don't see every Beta driver released get the WHQL certification because It may not be as stable to have pass the WHQL testing, or The process involves royalties which is why AMD doesn't bother. AMD's next WHQL release, once approved, could be 17.9.2 if they wish for it to get signed by Microsoft, but by the time they do that, something like 17.10.1 or 17.11.1 could be the latest Beta available which will contain updated profiles for games that the WHQL drivers will lack. I hope you'll not continue to argue and make this more embarrassing for yourself any further. Unlike the other members, I at least tried explaining it to you as we all come here to share our experiences and learn. The least you can do is do a bit of research for yourself before brazenly disregard everything that the others are saying.