Display makers: more 8K TVs will be released in 2019
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BlueRay
We don't even have content for 4K. Some TV stations still broadcast on 480p and not everyone jumped on 1080p.
4K content is still very limited and can be found only on few very expensive subscription based channels and on BlueRay movies and few streaming services.
What is the purpose of 8K when there is no content to take advantage?
I would say they should first push 4K on everything and then we talk about something larger.
sverek
HWgeek
I think that for PC it will be usable (135 PPI @65") - for example 3d Artist/Painters who can use the big Canvas @ PC monitor Sharpness level.- but not for a TV that you watch from over 2 Meters away,
Picolete
I asume prices for 4k screen will go down when 8k panels hit the market
NewTRUMP Order
I think right now 8k will be more of a attention getter, a publicity stunt if you will, to allow the companies to "show their stuff" and cause a buzz of the companies with 8k sets. Supposedly you will be able to watch from one inch away, at 32 megapixels per frame, and not see any pixilation. The picture on screen at any size will have the appearance of a photograph moving on your screen. Yes there is no content for it now, and only rich snobs will have them at $15000 a pop for snob bragging rights. But it will be good for us peons say 6-8 years down the road when Movies and t.v. catch up to the technology and put out 8k content. For now though 4k makes sense, 8k not so much.
Valken
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XP-200
4k will do for me for the next few years, then we shall see.
schmidtbag
Silva
Most TV stations haven't migrated from 720p on air but have 1080p on cable. I think movies are already available at 4K too.
Allot of youtube creators are carrying RED cameras capturing 8K, and most moderate to big ones have 4k already.
I think the problem is hardware and ISP speeds, not content. My 2500k barely has the power to play 4k, anything higher it can't display.
Then there's the problem of ISP speed and buffering.
When 4k came it was stupid expensive and everyone said it wasn't needed, but it pushed 1/2k really cheap. 8k will push 4k down in price eventually and it's a win win for consumers.
schmidtbag
GREGIX
And what for? Lots of channels are not even FHD yet...
Bring OLED or mLED to PC gaming with 120Hz and we can talk...
slyphnier
for japan, NHK already starting 8k broadcast, while rest 17 channels 4k
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181201/p2g/00m/0bu/048000c
for outside japan, afaik many 4k TV is already Smart-TV (android based)
which should have function to watch streams, youtube, netflix, amazon-prime which is the source content for 4k
the only problem probably the ISP, overloaded with high-streaming-bandwith
slyphnier
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
but again that OLED burn-in is the worst
120hz wont be common, it for specific usage to gaming
while resolution is applied to common things
for OLED mLED... anything that didnt have burn-in fast is good
aside the price, i believe many people considering burn-in when getting oled display
if we look at this test, even VA look the best panel (reliable-wise) compared to OLED & IPS : tsunami231
and here we have badly compressed video feeds from most cable/satellite providers that barely pass as 720p of a uncompressed feed, there 1080p dont even come close to uncompressed, they have next to no 4k content and when they do is even more compressed but when they do it can be compared to 1080p of bluray.
Most channels on Fios/Dish/etc etc all look horrible imo, from PC stand point and gaming forget it GPU cant even handle 4k proper without a super expensive gpu never mind 8k, and consoles will be the same stuff 300-400$ console cant even do 4 k proper yet. and I dont think the nextgen of consoles will either, not with out there base cost being 1.5x what they are now which i would not be surpised if it happens.
For most part I think Netflix and other such service have better PQ then most cable/satellite service, there 1080p for most part come close bluray pq for most part.
Either way I just got 4k i not geting 8k any time soon, GPU and cable/satellites service and everything else need to be able to give 4k properly before. Like I said I still waiting for proper 1080p and they switching to 4k only tv 1080p and lower tv are rare now. maybe we get proper 1080p from that stuff when we start to have 4k as normal which would make 1080p the min which could be years off and by that i mean 5 more years atlest
debatable I think 1080p on youtube is bad like most cable/satellites and there 4k is equal to 1080p bluray, but you right it better then most long as you dont compared to proper 1080p/4k feed.
I still despise soap effect I had it on for 6+ months with this tv and just couldnt take it anymore and turned it off, rather have proper 60fps content then the fake stuff.
alanm
fry178
Here we go again with the "but there is no feed.." crap.
proper upscaling was displaying 480 when we had HD (tvs), 480/720 got upscaled to run on FHD screens, the same way all non 4k content is upscaled today.
and outside stuff like YT, most streaming companies are only using a 4K profile, and aren't really streaming @4K res.
they just use the higher allowed bitrate/color range etc but usually stick with 1080p for res.
but going by ppi, 8K would only make sense for larger screens, i would say at least 75 or 85, to make sense.
as long as its not being used as moni.
and im selling 3-4000$ tvs broadcasting 1080 signals (BD/streaming), so i know its lower (than native) res isn't an issue.
and 60hz doesnt produce soap opera effect. its the tvs setting (to counter motion blur).
120HZ on a tv is to remove motion blur since it allows for "more" processing (by inserting black frames etc), and NOT to remove input lag like its done with monitors
(even with all processing turned off, input lag is still higher than most crappy monis).
one reason why almost everyone that works in tv/movie industrie would like to see BDs
running 50/60p, not 24/25p, which only makes sense for projectors, not tvs.
and the bit of detail you lose, you will reduce judder/stutter when camera is panning etc,
by a lot more.
and oleds arent designed for gaming, and if your stupid enough to play games on a screen like that, dont whine.
but i guess no surprise when i see ppl driving jacked up 4x4s in place where it usually doesn't snow.
how many of you have a car that can go faster than your countries/states speed limit?
applying the same thinking (from some ppl here), it wouldnt make sense to buy/own a car like that,
as there is no way to use it to its full capacity (top speed).
schmidtbag
bemaniac
I don't want the hassle of driving that many pixels given that nvidia and amd can't possibly do it any time in the next 5 years. Gamers drove uptake of 4k panels before sky and virgin and netflix/prime hopped on board and this time there are no gpus capable of 8k/60 even possible on the horizon. 4k/60 is still a dream for the Titan RTX in some games.
tsunami231
fry178
@bemaniac
and? who says you cant run everything in UHD/QHD?
especially when running a larger screen/tv it will still look much better than having the same screen with FHD res.
my next upgrade will be around 40-43in (already using 32), and will either run out of vram of horsepower for most newer games i have do to HW limits (3770k and 1080),
and have no prob to run it at 1440p or even 1080p, as i will still enjoy the larger screen and more detail i get from the screen.
some ppl seem to forget: this is about TVs, not monitors...
there are ppl doing stuff on large screens that isnt related to gaming (or stuff that needs similar (gpu) power).
so if some company/ppl need a screen that can show all the detail while being larger than 65,
8K makes sense.
doesnt mean YOU need it, or that it was designed for you.