Der8auer Direct-Die Waterblock Cools Ryzen 7000 CPUs by 25°C - The Thermal Grizzly AM5 Mycro Solution
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XenthorX
That's not extremely expensive for such a niche product.
Horus-Anhur
Lowering 25ºC on a CPU like that is quite the feat.
fantaskarsef
That's because they don't have to pay him royalties for using his name, he mentioned it in another video iirc
TLD LARS
I am not a fan of a test time of 1 minute.
A 1 hour load would heatsoak the 280mm cooler and the water would be 5-10 C higher with a 5-15 C higher CPU temp because of this.
Could be fun to see a comparison with a similar priced 360mm or 420mm watercooler instead, to see the true value for money.
anub1s18
i don't think that's quite the point of this product, heatsoak will affect the result for every single one of the solutions, the point is the cpu is not just wandering up to 90 degree's. if you assume the liquid is at ambient at the start of the test for each it's clear that the direct die solutions are just able to keep the core's closer to the liquid temperature then the other solutions. depending on how the fan's are controlled this could be quieter but might because of that cause the loop to heat up faster (as the fans are pumping less air through the radiators / venting out less heat, I personally have my fan's controlled by water temperature in case my GPU is loaded up 100% but my CPU is picking it's nose).
i have no personal experience with direct die but it might be able to heat up a loop faster as well, as less heat is "trapped" in the heatspreader and instead is just getting dumped in to the waterblock. but i'm not sure if that's actually a thing that happens or if for the cooling it's all the same the end result is just better.
CPC_RedDawn
I love debauer, the fact he didn't try to slap his logo on the physical product is such a nice touch. the clean look of the product is excellent and its capabilities seem fantastic.
now if only he could make his own direct-die heatsink as well......
TLD LARS
I am just a bit skeptical about the real world results.
Ryzen 7000x scales really bad when overclocking, the heat really goes up for only 100-300mhz boost.
I guess that this cooler would also be almost useless for a 3D chip, because the bad thermal transfer is in the silicon before it reaches the heatspreader, together with the lower allowed voltages limiting the overclock anyway.
One can always just throw more money at it and buy everything, but for the more money limited/conscience this direct die kit and a delid tool costs the same as a extra 360 rad, that could lead to better temps then this deliding and direct die.
XenthorX
I'm still on the fence regarding getting a 7950x/7950x3D.
While i'm browsing my online electronic retailer I always have this voice in my head saying "This is not a mature product wait for the next generation".
KissSh0t
Give it 1 year.
barbacot
"Safely" is a big word here - there is always a risk - even Der8auer cracked some chips using this tool, there is also the stage of removing indium using razor blades and liquid metal - you could also fuc** - **p in that stage...Nothing is safe with this process. Other than that - great! - I think that EK has a direct die cooling setup for Intel that drops the temps with 15 - 20 degrees, now it is AMD time and also normal with the temperatures that some AMD cpu's can reach during stress.
I think that by undervolting you achieve the same results without sacrificing too much performance and also avoid the risks involved because delidding is not for the average user even with "safe" tools provided - Der8auer has some great videos on his channel about eco mode on 13900K and 7950X.
Raserian
I think when you are doing that yourself, your investment is far higher than someone's like Der8auer, he is absolutely a great guy and everything but you can't look at it like that, he probably has CPUs for free directly from vendors and even if not, he still can buy them and release video that will make that return in couple of hours. You can pay between $400 - $1000 for high end CPU you have saved up for a long time and risking destroying it during first-time use is just unsettling idea for many, me included.
Neo Cyrus
$100 USD for such a product is definitely a reasonable price, especially considering Derbauer's track record of good products... but I'd be scared shitless of attempting to de-lid a soldered IHS. The only thing I've ever de-lided was my 4770K which was not soldered, and even that was nerve-wracking.
Maddness
I don't know about that. My MSI X670-e Meg Ace and 7950x have been rock solid stable and very easy to tinker with settings. So much more than my Asus Rampage Black Edition V10 and 6900k ever were. I'm very happy with the purchase.
CPC_RedDawn
I have the exact same feeling everytime. I have bookmarks in firefox for a new mobo, cpu, and ram but everytime I check on them I get the same feeling.
I have a 5900X and I barely touch the cores let alone the threads so I was waiting for the 7800X3D and then it was out of stock everywhere and now we have the melting issue.....
I think I will wait for the 8000 series and X770 boards to arrive towards the end of the year or begining of next.
XenthorX
Precisely ! I was checking 3d version available and we have the whole melting issue going on now.
illrigger
If it's drawing more energy out of the CPU, by definition it will soak the loop faster, but that's the entire point of an open loop watercooling system - you just adjust the amount of radiator space and fan to compensate. If you are hardcore enough to be doing custom water cooling and delidding, chances are you know that you aren't going to cool this thing without a beefy loop, probably at least a 360mm 44mm thick rad just for the CPU, maybe as much as a 60mm thick one or a 480mm. If you add a GPU to the mix, you should probably make sure your room is being cooled as well, ambient is gonna get toasty after a couple hours of gaming.
That's the thing nobody mentions when you start getting into custom loops - they are much better at getting the heat outside the system than air, but that heat lingers in the room and it can get very warm in the hot season. On the bright side, it also means that the room stays warmer in the cold months, so there's that. 🙂
anub1s18
ow amen, in winter it's really nice didn't really turn on the heating this winter just played some elden ring or horizon 5 to heat up the loop which then provided all the heat I needed to be confortable (3900X / 2070S...i'd like the power of a 3080/4080/4090 but not the heat output of them summer will just be unbarable with an AC), but then summer roll's around and you have a 30-60 min timer before your loop is nice and heated and it's starting to just dump the heat in to your room XD makes me wish i had an AC but i'm using the old fasioned window cracked open and a door open to create ... if there's even a little wind... some airflow through my room to move it away but yea when there's no wind i'm just dying if i play a game 😛 it's when i turn down my global frame cap to 72 fps and stick to older lighter on my pc stuff 😛
the pro of 11 fan's, my loop's maximum temperature has never even gotten near 50 mid summer playing even star citizen and it's still quite quiet.
the con of 11 fan's is when my loops is 45 degree's it's converting the air temperature in my room with shocking efficiency XD
my current loop is supsingly quick at racing back to ambient after the load go's away hich
Glottiz
Ironically, direct die cooled CPU has a high chance of premature failing.
Meanwhile that unmodified CPU running with traditional air / AIO coolers at higher temps will work for 10 years or more 😀
brogadget
If you like OC, playing around with delidded chips, liquid rubber, liquid metal, etc., it´s just another great "for fun tool", an old idea repackaged.
In combination with Intel´s CryoCooling TEC (EKWB´s currently 50% on sale) it could be an interesting toy, but sadly my old 10980XE is not supported + most important, I need a 100%, error free, 24/7 system.
