Der8auer Delid-Die-Mate 2 Released
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Octopuss
That's a nice tool.
I'm watching a video about it now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopM4p4CBrs, and don't understand why he talks about reglueing the IHS back onto the CPU. That defeats the purpose of delidding, doesn't it?
Prometheus336
No it doesn't, the purpose of delidding is substitue the crappy thermal paste between the Heatsink and the CPu die. The glue is re-applied in order not to lose the warranty
Octopuss
Doesn't the glue raise the IHS too high above the die so that there is a gap, unlike if you just placed the IHS onto the die?
NamelesONEMail
But can't you just use a very thin layer of normal glue (the transparent stuff) ? like superglue for example ? Or do you need something similar like the stock black glue ??
I'm asking because I'm thinking of getting an i7 7700k and OC'ing to 5Ghz and was thinking of delidding it myself (altough I am probably gonna do it with a sharp razor xD) since I am going for a very silent gaming rig with a 480rad (60mm thick) and fans in push&pull 🤓
PS: its my understanding that Intel not only put cheap paste in there but they also apply too thick of a layer of glue and they don't apply enough pressure to reduce the gap between the IHS and die. 🙂
Han2K
The fact is that you can lower you temps around 10°or even 20° (mileage may vary) just getting rid of stock TIM.
On the other hand, current Heatsinks and waterblocks are made for CPUs with HeatSpreader. You coudl easy break the cpu if you place the Heatsink directly onto naked die.
fantaskarsef
This. I too was wondering what cooling you had to use to make up for the obviously decreased height of the CPU's topmost contact surface. Even if it's just 1mm you can forget it, or am I wrong there?
labidas
mod your AMD cooler... intel coolers use screws so there's no modding required as far as i know.
labidas
nothing happened to my 3800 X2.
All CPU heatsinks are made for heatspreaders.
Why should anything happen? (Let's rule out the point that you can crack the silicon corner if you are clumsy)
stereoman
It can happen my brother crunched the corner on his athlon years ago, recently I bought a EK naked mount kit for my delidded 4790k but decided not to use it as thermal transfer is better if you just replace the heatspreader, more surface area to transfer heat is better, the cpu die just isn't big enough for the job.
Angrycrab
I got my Der8auer Delid-Die-Mate 1 last night and opened my brothers 7700k now It's running 15 Degrees lower and pushed the cpu to 5.1GHz @ 1.45v.
I didn't glue the IHS back just secured It with the motherboards cpu bracket worked totally fine.
Awesome tool and easy to use totally worth It.
Trihy
Im still running a delidded for 2 or 3 years.
And the way to lower temp, is using coolaboratory. When fisrt delidded, tried all high quality thermal paste and difference among atock were 5 o 6 C. When applied coolaboratory temps when hill down, like 15 to 25C, insane
Izi Cheeseborn
I'd like to grab one, with this I would have more confidence delid'ing an old E7400-Core2Duo that's still running perfectly and I regularly maintained for my little cousins to use playing their Minecraft and what not xD
schmidtbag
For that price I'd rather just spend more on a better heatsink. Maybe if this had better future compatibility and was something I'd use more than just once or twice I'd consider it.
Han2K
You can't delid that cpu because the HS is soldered to the die. If you remove the HS you will get a pair of cores literally stripped off from CPU PCB. Apart from that soldering is the best method to transfer the heat to the HS so there's no need for delid.
Intel swapped soldering method for crappy paste since Ivy Bridge.
chispy
I like what Der8auer did with his Delid-Die-Mate 2 , a much improved version of his first one. This is the easiest way to safely delid a cpu , thumbs up :thumbup: !
FranciscoCL
Delided my 4790K with the first version of his tool, after a nearly fatal vice method attempt.
Temps went down about 16ºC.
By the way, you can use Delid-Die-Mate 1 with KabyLake too.
Agent-A01
Heatspreader doesn't help with temps.
Since the die is so small, there is not enough surface area for heatsinks to conduct heat off of. Adding an extra layer of metal won't help there.
That's why temperature drops are so extreme when using metal based tim because they have significantly higher(stock intel paste around 6/7 w/mK, best paste 13~ w/mK) conductivity of 80~ w/mK.
TenderBabyMeat
I did a de-lid/re-lid on my 4770K shortly after it was released. Did it old school with a razor and a bench vice. Be slow, methodical, and careful and you should have no issues. I used black silicone as adhesive (picked it up at the autoparts store) to reseat the IHS. From my research at the time, it is considered best to use this as it is designed to withstand very high temperatures such as those found on the CPU. I would not rely on superglue to fill this role. Good luck!
noktrnl
Anyone know how to get this shipped to the US? The site only sells to Europe is looks like.
__hollywood|meo
how have you come to the conclusion that the chips die is better off thermally by conducting heat through one layer of TIM, then a cheap metal heatspreader with such a low mass that it has no appreciable dissipation properties whatsoever, then through another layer of TIM, then through your heatsink or waterblock of choice...? rather than the die being in nearly direct contact with your heatsink/block, save one layer of TIM (& any microscopic ridges, if you dont lap your gear)?
please refrain from asserting falsehoods as fact. someone might believe you...
