Denuvo Anti-Cheat was not the cause of Doom Eternal issues

#5792804

cryohellinc

2020-05-27 10:56

Tell me lies Howard, tell me sweet little lies.... [spoiler][youtube=hFcLyDb6niA][/spoiler]

#5792806

sverek

2020-05-27 11:00

Ah yes, skins messing around with memory, of course.

#5792808

prazola

2020-05-27 11:08

Ok, I'm not buying this game.

#5792810

AndyMutz

2020-05-27 11:14

I did not have any kind of stability issues, neither before nor after the patch. but after the patch it happens quite often that demons just stop moving. they just stand still and don't attack anymore. -andy-

#5792818

WhiteLightning

Moderator

2020-05-27 12:03

Go figure, ID Software devs where to blame here not Bethesda. They should have known this would happen when denuvo is known for worsening performance. Did they not test the patch internally as well ? Why are there new skins to start with ? I havent played the game myself,but i hope this is not such a game which relies on skins and other features to make the game cool.

#5792819

Richard Nutman

2020-05-27 12:06

sverek:

Ah yes, skins messing around with memory, of course.

Seriously? Every feature in a game, no matter how small uses memory and will require code that manipulates that memory. We once had this terrible crash that was a nightmare to debug, and it was caused by a single string copy that passed in a typo to the length.

#5792820

Undying

2020-05-27 12:08

Both developer and publisher are to blame. They wanted to pull this crap on us and players will not forget. Lets ruin the last good game we have.

#5792831

sverek

2020-05-27 12:49

Richard Nutman:

Seriously? Every feature in a game, no matter how small uses memory and will require code that manipulates that memory. We once had this terrible crash that was a nightmare to debug, and it was caused by a single string copy that passed in a typo to the length.

One would think they already have UI and skins managed under the hood and run by safe scripts that doesn't mess with engine itself.

#5792833

Richard Nutman

2020-05-27 12:53

sverek:

One would think they already have UI and skins managed under the hood and run by safe scripts that doesn't mess with engine itself.

Yes, but they made changes to that code to "fix" some issues in the update. Obviously they ended up introducing new ones. ". Fixed an issue so that now all customized character and weapon skins appear correctly all the time"

#5792834

rl66

2020-05-27 12:55

On other hand if you liked Doom, don't buy this ersatz...

#5792843

Turanis

2020-05-27 13:22

WhiteLightning:

Go figure, ID Software devs where to blame here not Bethesda. They should have known this would happen when denuvo is known for worsening performance. Did they not test the patch internally as well ?

Sorry,but is totally wrong.This totally depends on publisher,not developer. Remember when the exec without any denuvo is leaked and now Bethesda&Zenimax forced devs of Id Soft to push the denuvo in game. Denuvo always cause stuttering and glitches,because doing his job with the help of Cpu,not matter how powerful it is. 🙂 ID Soft make a good game,but its not their fault of implementation of denuvo.

#5792850

Netherwind

2020-05-27 13:48

Turanis:

Denuvo always cause stuttering and glitches,because doing his job with the help of Cpu,not matter how powerful it is. 🙂 ID Soft make a good game,but its not their fault of implementation of denuvo.

Please, you cannot generalize like that. I played the game from start to finish and it ran absolutely, perfectly and gloriously silky smooth. I agree, Denuvo is not exactly blameless and it definitely tampers too much in some games but not all. I'd say that it depends on the system as some handle Denuvo better/worse than others.

#5792854

Richard Nutman

2020-05-27 13:58

Surely Denuvo only kicks in when you're playing multiplayer?

#5792870

Cave Waverider

2020-05-27 14:50

Richard Nutman:

Surely Denuvo only kicks in when you're playing multiplayer?

Apparently not. Also, it's a very "lovely", intrusive kernel-level anti-cheat implementation from what I hear.

AndyMutz:

I did not have any kind of stability issues, neither before nor after the patch. but after the patch it happens quite often that demons just stop moving. they just stand still and don't attack anymore. -andy-

Perhaps these demons were cheating before the patch? 😉

#5792874

Richard Nutman

2020-05-27 14:59

Cave Waverider:

Apparently not. Also, it's a very "lovely", intrusive kernel-level anti-cheat implementation from what I hear.

Urgh! The update text says you can uninstall it anytime. I have done so, I wonder if it now prevents me playing Doom.

#5792912

schmidtbag

2020-05-27 16:31

Perhaps Bethesda isn't to blame for Denuvo, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they're the reason the game was released broken and incomplete, because that is a very Bethesda thing to do.

#5792966

Turanis

2020-05-27 18:59

Netherwind:

Please, you cannot generalize like that. I played the game from start to finish and it ran absolutely, perfectly and gloriously silky smooth. I agree, Denuvo is not exactly blameless and it definitely tampers too much in some games but not all. I'd say that it depends on the system as some handle Denuvo better/worse than others.

Hmm,but but.. suddenly 4A Games & Deep Silver remove denuvo from their Metro Exodus.But why,everything was fine,isnt? 🙂

#5793112

Astyanax

2020-05-27 23:18

WhiteLightning:

They should have known this would happen when denuvo is known for worsening performance. Did they not test the patch internally as well ?

Denuvo itself isn't a source of performance loss, VM Protect is, the Antitamper and VM Protect tools were combined to make a formidable (but heavy) anti-piracy tool. Denuvo Anti-cheat is a different beast, it runs and keeps idle a kernel driver at the start of the game and only does anything with it when you choose to play multiplayer. misusing vulkans memory management can definitely tank performance though......

#5793230

Herem

2020-05-28 07:55

People can't be trusted not to cheat. It might be an unpopular opinion, but I for one hope if Denuvo wasn't causing the issue that ID put it back in.

#5793254

Netherwind

2020-05-28 08:56

Turanis:

Hmm,but but.. suddenly 4A Games & Deep Silver remove denuvo from their Metro Exodus.But why,everything was fine,isnt? 🙂

I bought it on Steam when it was released on the platform but never tried it since I had other games to play first. Too bad, should have tried it first as well in order to contradict your statement 🙂