Maybe, just maybe, these chips are going to be the "tock" in Intels road map since Sandy Bridge and thats why they used the same naming as Sandy 😀

One would hope. But considering the lack of competition in this segment I strongly believe we will see another small 10% performance increment. I mean there's not much incentive for them to push their own boundaries. We'll see.

Yes, Skylake will be tock. I know it's not a necessity, and certainly Intel's not forced to work on it, but still no 6 core for the mainstream platform? D'oh.

Yes, Skylake will be tock. I know it's not a necessity, and certainly Intel's not forced to work on it, but still no 6 core for the mainstream platform? D'oh.

Yeah I was hoping to see a mainstream 6-core aswell. Especially now that DX12 is around the corner there would be benefits even in gaming. By the looks of it I will likely skip skylake aswell. But who knows maybe that 6700k will dish out great performance.

That's always possible. Also I wonder how they will behave temp wise, and how much they can be overclocked. 4.2GHz stock boost should enable people to get it closer to 4.6 with decent cooling, maybe even more. This alone could mean a reasonable bump in performance, this making people upgrade. But I just bought my 5930K, so I will not sidegrade / downgroade to regular Skylake anyway 🙂

LGA1151, I wonder if with a bios update it could work on existing mother boards.

One would hope. But considering the lack of competition in this segment I strongly believe we will see another small 10% performance increment. I mean there's not much incentive for them to push their own boundaries. We'll see.

That's why nobody is upgrading as they are pushing out crappy 10% boost on each CPU release. Whats the point spending another £250 quid on 10%? However if they upped the speeds by 33% or more there would be massive uptake. Intel are shooting themselves in the foot at the moment. :bang:

One would hope. But considering the lack of competition in this segment I strongly believe we will see another small 10% performance increment. I mean there's not much incentive for them to push their own boundaries. We'll see.

While there might be no competition from the AMD side and prices will go up drastically, If Intel does not deliver better performance, customers will just refuse to upgrade until it becomes something of a larger difference. What we will likely see is a slow to a crawl on the increased complexity of processor intensive software like Games, who knows maybe we will see more optimized titles from now on. But the truth still remains: Customers will not buy crap they do not need...remember that Intel!

Still 4 cores? No thanks, I was hoping in 2010 when I got mine that I would upgrade to something like double the cores in 3-4 years time. But pay for a Quad at these exorbitant sums of money that the Intel's cost? Not even a Multithreaded i5...

That's why nobody is upgrading as they are pushing out crappy 10% boost on each CPU release. Whats the point spending another £250 quid on 10%? However if they upped the speeds by 33% or more there would be massive uptake. Intel are shooting themselves in the foot at the moment. :bang:

Yeah well that's the exact reason I haven't upgraded my sandy. This thing pulls off 4.9GHz, there's absolutely 0 reason to upgrade to anything other than an enthusiast processor. Which I'm not willing to do since they're quite expensive.

While there might be no competition from the AMD side and prices will go up drastically, If Intel does not deliver better performance, customers will just refuse to upgrade until it becomes something of a larger difference. What we will likely see is a slow to a crawl on the increased complexity of processor intensive software like Games, who knows maybe we will see more optimized titles from now on. But the truth still remains: Customers will not buy crap they do not need...remember that Intel!

They still need to keep things moving and we will see improvements at the same rate as long as they're in business. Look at what's going on with AMD with the 3-year-old processors. People are losing interest massively and switching to Intel. Old and inefficient architectures. If anything, this gives AMD the chance to catch up. Only AMD is balling their eyes out and wasting time, trying to do everything instead on focusing on a few important things: GPUs and proper desktop CPUs. APUs are barely used. I seriously don't know anyone who owns an APU for the graphics capabilities. You're better off with an i3 for entertainment PCs.

AMD's lack of technological advancement over the past few years is why I went the Intel route when I last upgraded. It's also the reason why I no longer suggest AMD processors to my friends building a gaming computer. There's just no point in investing in ancient hardware. Intel's small steps is also why I haven't upgraded from my 3570k. There's just no point in going for a 4670k/4690k as it's such a small upgrade/sidegrade. Intels constant switching of CPU sockets doesn't help either. No longer can you just get a newer generation CPU and throw it into your older motherboard and have a cheap but powerful upgrade. Want to upgrade now? Be prepared to shell out $$$ for a new motherboard too.

LGA1151, I wonder if with a bios update it could work on existing mother boards.

Firmware updates don't change hardware physically.

I'm really itchy to upgrade my Sandy (even if i have no reason to do so). Idk, kinda hoping it will be worth it and finally have some new toy to play with. Seeing its still 4core brings me down though...

LGA1151, I wonder if with a bios update it could work on existing mother boards.

Pin placement is the difference in the sockets. Now that being said, there have been cases where a different socket works on another with pencil mods, or a contact mod. There is a 771 to 775 mod out there that works without any bios mods. Honestly I am hoping for something good from either Intel or AMD, I love my mac but I'm itching to tweak! There's only so much I can do to this thing! 😀

(4 core i5) welp, at least i could still hope to prioritize my GPU upgrade heh

I was looking for an upgrade as well but when i see the new CPU's not being any faster than what i have i am really really hesitant about it. I should just push my CPU a little higher for OC since i installed my Corsair H90

I was looking for an upgrade as well but when i see the new CPU's not being any faster than what i have i am really really hesitant about it. I should just push my CPU a little higher for OC since i installed my Corsair H90

I have had my 3570K at 4.4 since Day 1 and it feels as fast now as it did in Summer 2012.

AMD did not have lack of technological advancement, especially not compared to Intel. AMD had lack of good market choices, and bad cooperation with partners (both sides). Basically, even AMD chips from 2012 are more advanced compared to the Intel chips, but in "wrong route", for the market needs, that is. Bad partner support, and questionable socket compatibility is another aspect where AMD is far behind Intel. Either way, I cannot recommend AMD products to friends also. On topic, nope, this CPU's will have up to 10% improvements, same as those before, the difference is higher default clocks (and TDP), so effective stock speed would probably be up to 20%, with new RAM types and some instruction sets.

Where is this technological advancement on AMD's side that I'm not aware of? They have 3 year old CPUs on the market for crying out loud. Their architecture-to-architecture improvements have been close to null. At least Intel made their architectures more efficient even if their performance haven't increased a lot. But then again WHY would Intel give us more performance? They don't have to, AMD cannot compete. They barely even focused on laptop CPUs and those have actually seen decent performance improvements purely as the fruit of more efficient desktop architectures. AMD's downfall in the CPU market is simply due to the inefficient nature of Bulldozer. You cannot expect people to buy a 220W CPU when their similarly performing counterparts eat up almost 2.5x less power. Hell, my GPU doesn't eat that much power. And a byproduct of this inefficiency is the impossibility to compete in the laptop market. You cannot throw a 50W CPU in a laptop and expect it to be bought, not when the competition has far better performance using the same 50W. Only then come the stupid market decisions, like trying to force feed us those APUs that nobody gives a crap about because gamers will always prefer a dedicated card and you don't need that kind of GPU power for HTPC builds. The APU idea is great. I commend AMD for it. But they are and will continue to be bottlenecked by RAM throughput, there is absolutely no way around that, not even with DDR4. They need to get their attention away from those damn APUs. Saying that AMD's chips from 2012 are more advanced compared to today's Intel chips is the worst twaddle I've heard in years, have you been living under a rock? AMD began losing CPU market starting with Intel's Core architecture, this all started 9 years ago.

Since this will be a tock CPU makes me wonder if Intel will go back to solder in between the heat spreader and CPU di. Or that is only reserved for the -E based CPUs with 6-8 cores or more.

Since this will be a tock CPU makes me wonder if Intel will go back to solder in between the heat spreader and CPU di. Or that is only reserved for the -E based CPUs with 6-8 cores or more.

There was an article that I've posted before that I can't find now -- but basically it explained why they moved away from solder and the jist was that the die sizes of modern desktop chips are getting smaller, faster then they are lowering power consumption. So the same amount of thermal energy is essentially spread across a smaller area. The type of fluxless solder they were typically using for TIM was causing issues in such a small area, when it was heated and cooled repeatedly, it would crack. There is different grades of solder and I think that's what they ended up doing for like Devil's Canyon and stuff, but it probably costs more, requires retooling at the manufacturing level, and probably isn't worth that extra cost on regular consumer chips (the vast majority of people don't overclock). I imagine that the larger chips will still get solder as the die area is larger, but I think the cheaper stuff will probably still use paste.

Where is this technological advancement on AMD's side that I'm not aware of? They have 3 year old CPUs on the market for crying out loud. Their architecture-to-architecture improvements have been close to null. At least Intel made their architectures more efficient even if their performance haven't increased a lot. But then again WHY would Intel give us more performance? They don't have to, AMD cannot compete. They barely even focused on laptop CPUs and those have actually seen decent performance improvements purely as the fruit of more efficient desktop architectures. AMD's downfall in the CPU market is simply due to the inefficient nature of Bulldozer. You cannot expect people to buy a 220W CPU when their similarly performing counterparts eat up almost 2.5x less power. Hell, my GPU doesn't eat that much power. And a byproduct of this inefficiency is the impossibility to compete in the laptop market. You cannot throw a 50W CPU in a laptop and expect it to be bought, not when the competition has far better performance using the same 50W. Only then come the stupid market decisions, like trying to force feed us those APUs that nobody gives a crap about because gamers will always prefer a dedicated card and you don't need that kind of GPU power for HTPC builds. The APU idea is great. I commend AMD for it. But they are and will continue to be bottlenecked by RAM throughput, there is absolutely no way around that, not even with DDR4. They need to get their attention away from those damn APUs. Saying that AMD's chips from 2012 are more advanced compared to today's Intel chips is the worst twaddle I've heard in years, have you been living under a rock? AMD began losing CPU market starting with Intel's Core architecture, this all started 9 years ago.

/\ /\ Well said! :thumbup: