Chinese company with $24 billion funding claims its will bring DDR4 speeds to NAND
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sverek
Y though? And why would we need DRAM then?
Kaarme
Better wait to actually see results from third party evaluators than believe a marketing speech from a new manufacturer. In fact even old manufacturers shouldn't be trusted before results are verified in practice. Intel's Lolptane didn't transform the world either. Intel even had to blackmail mobo manufacturers to make the merchandise move at all.
nosirrahx
386SX
I would L-O-V-E to see SSDs getting the speeds of RAM, really. And not only because of MB/s but in terms of >>latency<< as well. SSDs tend to have a latency in the ms-range (milliseconds), while RAM is in the ns-range (nanosecond).
If you are able to drive 340 miles per hour your car is fast without doubt. But when you need about 15 minutes to change from one gear to another, you won't win a race, do you agree? 🙂
horrih
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schmidtbag
Venix
at what price ? and how many cycles can take before start failing ?will be the deciding factor even if they deliver even half what they are promising
nosirrahx
https://i.imgur.com/w6aI9B5.jpg
This is what Optane could be doing for people but Intel does not support the 800P as Optane cash and I have no idea why.
They really should have released the 800P as the first Optane product and offered it as a stand alone SSD or Optane cache.
I agree about the 16/32GB drives, even RST supported 64GB. They also should have waited to release the Optane software as it is today instead of the 0 features POS it debuted as.
Optane today lets you pin folders and executables as well as shows you the breakdown of what Optane is doing.
The 900P were OK but the 905P is where the capacities really became something useful in more cases.
I have not seen it reported on anywhere but it also seems that Optane is now pulling an AMD and combining both RAM and Optane to offer up pretty crazy sequential read speed.
This is from my travel laptop and no, I do not not have RAM cache installed. This is the performance from activating the current build of Optane software on a 800P:
JamesSneed
Im discounting them until they have an actual product in the market. I know i'm cynical. Getting new technology like this stood up and working in the real world is hard, and it's even harder to make a profit from it. I hope they are successful but suspect they won't be.
EspHack
I remember the last time some chinese company made amazing claims like this, supposedly 100% screen-to-body ratio on a phone and then showed of yet another notched phone
this just sounds like they are raid-ing a bunch of nand to get x7 sequential speeds, at best, there's no mention of random perf or anything else
I would love to see this and so far I see sketchy brands on amazon selling TLC drives that are just barely twice the cost of decent HDDs so it seems they are producing something and it isnt half bad, but this would be quite the jump from that
Kaarme
nosirrahx
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?97190-VROC-Bootable-Raid-with-Intel-900p-when-will-this-be-supported-in-the-BIOS/page8
I look at Optane as more of a tech preview product than anything else. People are buying them and doing some really cool stuff but I don't think anyone can argue that the 900P is worth the price premium over the 970. The 1TB 905P in a 'no budget' build makes sense and caching a 6TB+ HDD to a 800P might also make sense (this works but isn't supported) but these are not common scenarios.
There is even a guy that did an 8 way VROC 0 Optane setup.
schmidtbag
Kaarme
schmidtbag
Kaarme
Nah, I'm not hating the technology. If I hate something, it's Intel's pricing. If it's enterprise market pricing, then it's obviously expensive, but why can't I hate enterprise prising? Just make a consumer version of it, then. And I don't mean those ridiculous 16/32GB models.
But once again, I only meant it's not going to change the PC scene if you only find it in the offices, server caves, and in the PCs of the rare HC enthusiasts. As long as Optane SSDs aren't a realistic choice for most, they will stay relatively small. Although that being said, I'm also too old-fashioned since I don't care about all the cloud based stuff and such, but if that's where the world is going, naturally only server farms will need good drives and people's personal terminals could survive with some 32GB drive just fine. Although I won't be one of those people.
schmidtbag
MegaFalloutFan
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