Nice. But seriously, you should test https://www.arctic.ac/en/Freezer-34-eSports/ACFRE00059A sponsored or not, test it and keep it in the table to troll overpriced coolers.

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Nice. But seriously, you should test https://www.arctic.ac/en/Freezer-34-eSports/ACFRE00059A sponsored or not, test it and keep it in the table to troll overpriced coolers.

That chart they give showing "average" CPU temp seems pretty useless. I'd bet my Canadian rupees that, under sustained 100% load, something that small isn't in the same category as the NH-D15. For it's size/price it's probably good, I just can't stand all the misleading advertisement everywhere. Most people probably don't even realize temp % differences often shown are useless. Being measured as a % of each other can't give you any idea of how it scales.

Neo Cyrus:

That chart they give showing "average" CPU temp seems pretty useless. I'd bet my Canadian rupees that, under sustained 100% load, something that small isn't in the same category as the NH-D15. For it's size/price it's probably good, I just can't stand all the misleading advertisement everywhere. Most people probably don't even realize temp % differences often shown are useless. Being measured as a % of each other can't give you any idea of how it scales.

Overpriced stuff and the hype generated around them by the gamers community without talking much about the price is not really better. The NH-D15 is 130$ in Canada. This is crazy ridiculous for a air cooler. Is it great? Yes it is. It's pretty close to AIO collers which is incredible for a air cooler. It's also pretty close in price though which is far less incredible. Under normal usage (not 100% load all the time) is it really 2-3 times better than other air coolers? I bought a Cryorig H5 3 years ago for like 35-40% of the price of a NH-D15. I did not even remotely consider the NH-D15. I mean close to 10% of the price of my build on a air cooler ... like really? Is the H5 as good as the NH-D15? No it's not. But under normal usage with a mild overclocking my cpu will be maybe 2-3 celcius higher while gaming. I can certainly live with that to spend 80$ CAD more on my gpu. I mean if i would be serious about overclocking i would probably build a custom loop anyway. At one point we got to talk about the price. Everyone and their mom recommend Seasonic, Corsair, Noctua, ... to about everyone on forums including Joe Blow from Azerbaijan who is building his first PC. The price of the products by those companies really is often totally ridiculous. As good as their products are they are not 2-3 times better than the competition. I owned an Arctic cooler in the past for a Core i5 750 running at 3.6Ghz (sold it to family after reapplying thermal paste and it's still running to this day with the same cooler) and i've been 100% satisfied. Is it great? nope. Should you buy one if you plan to overclock to the max? nope. Is it good enough for most people out there for like 30% of the price of Noctua? Yup it really is.

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At one point we got to talk about the price.

TL;DR - Agreed. My butt hurts from the current PC part prices. I hope Jensen steps on a lego. The trends of the enthusiast PC market haven't eluded me. I'm not sure if the prices are extra nuts mostly due to the pandemic, or if it would have happened either way. I got my AM4 NH-D15 for either $100 or $110 CAD (I think two years ago?) and even that seemed a bit much for two fans (which the model of has been around for a long time) and a slab of aluminum. The problem is the people that pay the high prices, companies always push as high as they can so long as there is demand. All the prices may be going nuts but I'm most worried about GPUs. And in the case of nVidia I'm convinced, even taking long term into account, they lost profit by being such ultra assholes with the 2K series price gouging. AMD for the past eternity have been just playing along with whatever price trend nVidia sets. Hmmm, what a coincidence. There has been no real competition in that segment even when AMD had products. And (supposedly) thanks to Murthy of Intel we can forget about any fantasy of Intel entering the GPU market. I'm betting on prices as high as nVidia/AMD think they can get sales with, again. It shouldn't be insane as last time, but I nothing would surprise me at this point. I got my GTX 280 for $400 CAD on sale from $600 IIRC, many months before the GTX 285 was released and either way they both were the full blown chip... not like the BS today where what should be labeled x60 is x80. A low-mid range card is what $400 buys these days. I don't understand how that can continue considering the power of the upcoming consoles, but again, I wouldn't be surprised if the insanity goes on anyway. If even a small fraction of people, who don't show restraint now, didn't just buy whatever regardless of price, the market would be very different. I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not going to get fucked in the ass by nVidia (or AMD if they actually have a product on shelves for once). If the prices are insane I'll just deal with low frame rates/play older games/whatever else, but I won't add to the problem. I won't get an upgrade unless I get a good deal (or in the off chance there are sane prices), and I haven't seen an actual sale on mid-high end cards in years, so I probably won't get an upgrade. Back to the topic of cooler prices; even the "good deals" like the often bought Hyper 212 Evo aren't good deals anymore. That shit used to be $20, now it's $45 even on Amazon. With the way prices on those things are, if I was building a new rig, I'd say fuck it and just buy an AIO over $100 and just get better performance. Even that dinky 1 fan Arctic cooler mentioned, I can't find that model any lower than $66. At that point you should consider what you actually need, and use the stock cooler, or straight to a 360mm AIO, IMO.

Neo Cyrus:

Back to the topic of cooler prices; even the "good deals" like the often bought Hyper 212 Evo aren't good deals anymore. That crap used to be $20, now it's $45 even on Amazon. With the way prices on those things are, if I was building a new rig, I'd say frack it and just buy an AIO over $100 and just get better performance. Even that dinky 1 fan Arctic cooler mentioned, I can't find that model any lower than $66. At that point you should consider what you actually need, and use the stock cooler, or straight to a 360mm AIO, IMO.

Ouch did not check the price but that Artic cooler really is 66$ CAD? Yup not worth it. They were usually around 30-35$ CAD not too long ago. Yeah if i would build a new PC now i'd probably go with an AIO cooler. Considering the price good air coolers are sold at that point might as well buy an AIO. I was lucky enough to get a good deal on my Cryorig H5 3 years ago (40$ CAD) and it's a very good air cooler for the price i paid. I'll probably keep it to go with my Ryzen 3 😉

Neo Cyrus:

That chart they give showing "average" CPU temp seems pretty useless. I'd bet my Canadian rupees that, under sustained 100% load, something that small isn't in the same category as the NH-D15. For it's size/price it's probably good, I just can't stand all the misleading advertisement everywhere. Most people probably don't even realize temp % differences often shown are useless. Being measured as a % of each other can't give you any idea of how it scales.

you shouldn't believe any companies own marketing slides. Also, it's why I suggested that Arctic cooler in particular to be tested and put in the charts. I could test it, but who would care? I don't have viewership or any audience reach to speak of. As for the Cooler I mentioned, it's a 4 heatpipe cooler that outperforms hyper 212 and some other even better coolers. It's not a water cooling system, so what you get in 10-20 minutes is what is going to stay (talking about load). Obviously you are not going to cool 10900K with it. but you are going to be cooling 9700K just fine until 5GHz

Neo Cyrus:

TL;DR - Agreed. My butt hurts from the current PC part prices. I hope Jensen steps on a lego. Back to the topic of cooler prices; even the "good deals" like the often bought Hyper 212 Evo aren't good deals anymore. That crap used to be $20, now it's $45 even on Amazon. With the way prices on those things are, if I was building a new rig, I'd say frack it and just buy an AIO over $100 and just get better performance. Even that dinky 1 fan Arctic cooler mentioned, I can't find that model any lower than $66. At that point you should consider what you actually need, and use the stock cooler, or straight to a 360mm AIO, IMO.

What do you mean? https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-eSports-DUO-Configuration/dp/B07MC8CRVZ and it's two fans on it for ~$53 single fan is cheaper: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MQ9MQ5M/ref=dp_cerb_1

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https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-eSports-DUO-Configuration/dp/B07MC8CRVZ and it's two fans on it for ~$53 single fan is cheaper: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MQ9MQ5M/ref=dp_cerb_1

That's for the USA. And for $53 USD, which is actually more than $66 CAD ATM, I still think it's a crap value considering what it is, regardless of what kind of value it actually is relative to what's available on the market.

The value of the cooler is just fine, every review says it's the best cooler for that money. It's for ~210W TDP, don't expect to cool 3950x with it. Also, yes, the prices I linked are universally understood. Should I link the price in RSD from Serbia instead? Anyway, it probably works better than Be Quiet from this review or pretty much the same. How much is that Be Q in your country? Let me guess, one fan version is not ~$35 (two fan version arctic is $53) PS. I am not the target audience for any of these coolers, neither are you, but someone with limited budget getting 3600x B450 mobo should probably have more options than $100 AIO or Noctua or BQ.

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but someone with limited budget getting 3600x B450 mobo should probably have more options than $100 AIO or Noctua or BQ.

Yeah, it's called the stock cooler that comes with it, as I said before. That Arctic cooler isn't going to give a realistic benefit over it. You're not going to really get anything more of an OC with it, not enough to justify using an all core OC over stock behaviour/higher few core turbo... and if you're not OCing you don't really need anything better anyway. The middle ground in this case is crap.

Sorry, hearing all of them (stock coolers) any cooler, as per usual, is an upgrade. I don't even know why you said that.