Backblaze lists SSD failure rates, they die faster than HDDs in lifetime
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Sylwester Zarębski
How "SSD die faster than HDD" when data shows otherwise?
barbacot
In twenty years the only drive that failed me was an IBM 120 GXP "Deathstar" - well know for the high failure rates and the reason why IBM exited consumer HDD market - other than this HDD's or SSD's never failed on me - the only reason for change was capacity upgrade or speed - I may be lucky but I put them to a lot of use both at home and work with simulations and code compiling...also no failures on my NAS with 4 HDD that I use for torrents, surveillance cam hub and file sharing between office and home.
The data is maybe true for storage warehouses but I think that for the consumer market this is irrelevant.
alanm
Have tons of SSDs over the years and none failed yet. But they are not in storage servers as in backblaze conditions. Failed HDDs over the years involve Maxtor, Seagate and WD to a lesser extent. But these mostly were older smaller, less than terabyte capacity from back in the day.
Venix
rl66
When come to massive volume there is the price to still consider (unit and the infrastructure as the SSD have lower volume than HDD).
So, it is better for SSD, but HDD still have a bright future...
kakiharaFRS
2 out of 3 my WD black died in less than a year probably a bad batch also but I never bought them again they cost a premium and you get this ? no thx
1 WD blue died in a friend's laptop also after like 2 years
I mostly run HGST or WD/HGST "ultrastar" in raid on my server (WD bought them a few years ago but the drives sold under WD still have the HGST part ID in disk info)
I also have a few WD red in 2-4 drives raids that work fine
I can't scare you enough about seagate ironwolf they make an insane noise, insane it sounds like metal work, grinding or something, unbearable really you can hear it 2 rooms away and they click nonstop nonstop 😡
just buy "WD" (really HGST) ultrastar 100% you'll be happier I know I've got 18 of them running less than 2m away lol and I barely hear them
this is the kind of noise ironwolf do and you can hear that 5+ meters away it's impossibly unbearable to be in the same room they are, it also sounds way more sharp igher pitched and aggressive in real life, another product like awful ghosting "gaming monitors" that shouldn't be allowed to be sold
maddening idle sound at 9:00 yes the head constantly clicks unless you turn the drive off
metal work aka copying at 10:00
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guy is only running one I had 4 in raid I couldn't believe my ears that this product is sold to customers
again I'm now running 18 drives 18 ! and I can't hear them at idle and barely in use WD Ultrastar ftw
barbacot
lukas_1987_dion
I can confirm, two SSD's died on me in last 8 months (Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB, they just had around 10TB written), while HDD died just once after 5 years, but I still went with a SSD and HDD mix, SSD for OS and newer games, HDD for everything else, hope it last at least two years..
mackintosh
In my 30 years of building PCs, I've only had four drives die on me. A Seagate in 1992, a Quantum Fireball in 1999 and two SSDs, an OCZ and a Kingston. I've had one WD (HGST) Gold drive DOA. As of now, the oldest drive I have in my PCs is a WD Black 2TB that is about 10 years old. I guess I've been rather lucky.
rl66
barbacot
tunejunky
all of my spinners were Hitachi Ultrastars post 2008.
but i ditched 12 hdd array for 6 SSD array for reliability, noise, and power consumption. now i don't need my NAS in a closet down the hall, it's on a shelf next to my main rig.
one thing to note, the SSD failures that are being noted are old TLC very very few are 3d nand
bobnewels
Data does not lie,the results are interesting for sure.The results go against everything I experienced as a end user over 10 years. No SSD failures and HDD failures a few.
Mufflore
I was having regular drive failures until 2 things happened:
1) stopped powering my machine down at night, left it on 24/7, and left drives permanently running.
2) only bought Hitachi NAS or Helium drives (or SSDs for boot). Advice for the Hitchi drives was taken from Backblaze reports.
Since then, the only problem I had was about 3 years ago when my CPUs cooling failed which corrupted a Hitachi 6TB NAS drive.
Using good recovery tools I got almost everything back, reformatted the drive, its still running great 24/7.
The worst drives (apart from glass platter IBM Deathstars) were Samsung Spinpoint 1TB, they snuffed it within 1 to 2 years.
Oh and an early OCz 256GB SSD, bad sectors started appearing but it remained serviceable until replaced with a Samsung 840 Pro.
The best drives have been anything HGST, 2x NAS from 2015, 3x Helium from 2018.
All run flawlessly. Bear in mind these run 24/7, very few heat/cool cycles. A fan blows over them.
Sadly WD bought HGST so I dont know how much faith can be put in more recent designs.
EspHack
the thing with SSDs is that they tend to drop dead with no warning, spinning rust usually dies a very agonizing death so you can backup way ahead
someone told me its due to cheap controllers, nand itself dies very slowly, but I'm willing to bet 9 out of 10 drives out there have "cheap controllers" anyway
rl66
Astyanax
the same HGST enterprise designs are being manufactured by WD today, the Golds so long as you perform due diligence are exactly the same physically and 99% of firmware the same as HGST.
I must stress the due diligence though, there is two models of the 4TB gold in the market right now that correspond to 2 completely different HGST drives.
WD4002FYYZ and WD4003FRYZ
WD4002FYYZ is based on the Ultrastar 0B35950 and is 512n and performs at up to 233MB/s
the WD4003FRYZ is the newer spec drive based on the Ultrastar 0B36040 and is 512e and performs up to 255MB/s
The older of the two has user reports of being noiser than the newer.
neither require modifying the sata plug/cable to turn off "Power Disable"
PS: Gold 4TB's are significantly faster than Black 4TB's.
Gold
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/247515315825672203/828307281561124874/unknown.png
Black
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/247515315825672203/828307438088224788/unknown.png
There is a slight mistake in the pdf at https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/general-docs/data-sheet-ultrastar-sata-series-2879-810017.pdf where the 0B36040 512e is reported as 233MB/s
This is the expected throughput of a 0B36040 using 512n, the pdf here has the correct throughput.
Reardan
I gotta be honest with all of you, your personal experiences with like 8 drives don't mean anything.
Mufflore