AMD ZEN Engineering Sample Specs Leaked
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MegaFalloutFan
What cost of building Intel PC?
Please take into consideration that each new CPU gen is only slightly faster than previous, meaning that people that invested into i5 2500 and i7 2600 can still comfortably game on them.
And all those that invested in good quality OC boards and got to 4ghz-4.5ghz area (which wasn't a problem for these 2 CPUs) have performance compared to modern 2.8-3.5ghz duals and quads, maybe even tad faster.
Basically what im saying that yep, Intel is not cheap compared to AMD, but it has much longer live.
Take any modern AMD, and its a dud on its release day, actually it was already beaten by Intel and died back when it was on the drawing board!
sunnyp_343
Right say bro.I have i5 2500 from 4 tears and its still run like beast.
Fender178
You have no idea what you are talking about. Clock speed doesn't equal performance. Performance is geared more towards Clock speed per core which AMD needs to improve upon in single threaded applications.
Hmm at the right price and how the performance is this could give the i5's a run for their money as far as the Zen quad cores go.
Hmm would it be too much to ask if 8 core zen could compete with the hex and maybe the 8 cores that Intel has now?
BangTail
I'm really hoping these are as good as they sound, Intel needs a wake up call, smartly 😉
ScoobyDooby
This is the problem I have with really getting behind Zen though. I'm really hopeful that it does well to finally FINALLY push intel back a bit and make things interesting, but for the amount of time its taken them, by the time Zen actually drops, Intel has and has had more than enough time to design and release their own Zen killer.
Mark my words.. Zen will release, people will definitely buy them, likely a lot of people, but Intel will fire back quickly. I think most people would agree with this idea.. the problem here though, is that Intel already has very powerful 6+ core chips at their disposal, and by the time Zen does release, they will be more than ready to release their own comparable chip, likely for a reduced price. If this chip should maintain an existing socket.. could be trouble for AMD.
Somehow I feel like Zen will release, the hype will die after a month or two, and intel will have released a better chip (not just marginally better, but MUCH better) for the price, and we're back at square one.
I just don't have faith that AMD has the goods still to compete with Intel, I guess. Perhaps if they had been more neck and neck over the past ten years, but really, they are a bug and Intel is a bull.
nz3777
This release could not come soon enough for them, Seems like its taking forever for Zen to come out! They said at the end of 2016 right? We still have 5 months waiting time lol and Intel will more then likely release 5 more cpus in the mean time.
gianluca
I make all the guessing I want. Since nobody here have the specs of the cpu and can't test it, everyone can just guess what will be.
Zen will be presented later this year according to AMD. It's a 2016 design and I compare it with 2016 and previous generations Intel/AMD cpus first of all, then with the ones that will come in the future, both from intel and AMD (Zen+). Just like all the tech magazines and websites will do when they will be able to test it. Or you think they will wait until Intel will release its next gen architecture to make benchmarks? 😀
The 6700k has 4 cores and 8 threads. Zen 8 cores and 16 threads. With the IPC improvements and double the threads it's reasonable to think that in applications that take advantage of all the cpu core/threads, Zen will be ahead of the 6700K. It's not blind guessing, it's common sense. But, hey, if you like you can come back to me with the benchmarks that prove what I'm saying is wrong later when the cpu will be released.
I have AMD and Intel in my computers and I'm nowhere near a fanboy when it comes to technology. Again, if the specs and the rumors will be confirmed Zen will be a terrific cpu for the people who don't want to spend 1000€ for a cpu, but still have very good performance.
sunnyp_343
I am asking again because this is itching me.Why CPU clock speed stuck at max 4 ghz from last 10-15 yrs.Why they cant achieve 6,7 or hm hm 10 ghz yet?i know temperature and over hitting is hurdle in this.But still with every die shrinking and better cooling solution outtheir even still not slightly increase in clock speed?
Please reply.This question is to specialist also.
Badjojo85
Finally AMD is coming back into the race with some proper CPU'S. Prior to my current i5 4570, i was served by my trusty Phenom II X3 720BE. It was a smashing CPU. And I'm still using it as a spare PC till now. No doubt my current i5 will simply walk all over it in any benchmark/games/applications, Intel CPU'S just doesn't give me the buzz like AMD does. I really hope Zen will live up to expectations.
robintson
I'm afraid that when AMD Zen CPU's come out Intel will have something to counter them. Anyways if AMD Zen offers real close performance per clock and TDP like Intel, then I'm sure that lot's of people will buy Zen 8 core CPU's and be happy with their choice.
Truder
There is a very big hurdle along with very high frequencies - back in the days of Intel's Netburst architecture (commonly known as Pentium 4), Intel had the plan to scale the architecture along with clockspeed, with successive generations of Netburst having higher and higher clockspeeds, however, when these processors began to reach 5GHz, there was a phenomenon that occurred, electron migration - this irreversibly damaged the processors - it was also a common occurrence in highly overclocked northwood Pentium 4s also known as "sudden death syndrome" - as a result, Intel did away with Netburst in favour of hardware similar to the P6 architecture which then began the Core series.
This is why Intel and AMD are researching and developing ways in which to improve the number of instructions executed per clock rather than increasing how many times a processor can cycle a clock.
Now with Zen, if it's true that the samples can rup upto 3.2GHz and have similar performance to Intel's Ivy Bridge platform, this is very good news indeed as it means it has a lower clockspeed than Ivy Bridge while maintaining similar performance, this further means that there is indeed room for scalability in the future.
Kohlendioxidus
...some more rumors:3eyes:
First of all, A0 samples of 8 cores Zen exist, and it seems that AMD has already delivered them to its partners for the preliminary tests. The base frequency seems to be very high (3 GHz, Turbo still not enable with these ES) for a high end 8 cores CPU, also produced on a new node like the 14nm LPP FinFET of Samsung/GloFo (The first ES of Bulldozer worked at 2,8 GHz). It is a promising start.
About Zen, I can tell you some my speculations (NO OFFICIAL INFO) and some news from USA (from the same guy who told me about Zen, 3 days earlier the Official Presentation made by AMD).
If 14nm LPP will be good, Zen base frequency (8 cores version, TDP 95W) will be 3.7-3.8 GHz. Turbo 4.1-4.2 GHz. If 14nm LPP will be very good (or if AMD will commercialize a limited edition, like the Athlon Slot A 1GHz during the good old times), Zen will have a base frequency of 4 GHz (Turbo 4.2-4.3 GHz). Also, the overclockers will have a lot of fun, because of the soldered IHS!
Zen seems to be a High Performance and High Frequency uArch, like Skylake and Kaby Lake, but with some little tweak. The design team lead by Keller, as you know, has chosen to simplify some features in order to limit the Power Consumption and improve the Frequency, due to the low availability of appropriate software at the present moment (e.g. 2 x 128 Bit FMA instead of one big 256 Bit FMA SIMD). FPU units, however, will be very strong. In theory, Zen will be a monster in video games tasks (It's just an example). We can expect an IPC at Broadwell level. And if some companies want some features, AMD can do a Custom Zen CPU/APU (It has a modular design).
Last, but not the least, the part of the news about Intel was true. It seems that Intel will commercialize a 10 cores Broadwell-E due to its own internal Zen simulations (Intel has some data we don't know, yet, and has skilled engineers that know what they do). Zen will have 8 cores, while Broadwell-E 10 cores. So, Intel will have the “King of the Hill”, but Zen seems to be very good in the mid range of the market (AKA, gaming and enthusiast configurations).
tsunami231
8 core with under 100 watts interesting, Here is hoping there STP is not trash or that mater the can actual compete with intel for once
Whiplashwang
I hope these perform well and are priced competitively! If so, Zen may be my next processor. 🤓 AMD, PLEASE bring back competition! We've waited too long.
Chris16v
You know what, even if it only hit the performance of a 4790k I would be happy enough. That's a big jump from the current CPU's AMD offers.
My pc is still going strong but it does need replaced. I'm really hoping AMD give us something nice. I really don't want to give Intel money and I'm even looking at AMD gfx cards for the first time!
andresteare
I think you're not getting the point of this, is not about AMD trying to beat the best Intel CPU, it's about getting enough horsepower for high-end CPU performance, no one expects AMD to compete Intel's i7-6950X, but 8C/16T and 2MB of L3 per core is more than enough for high-end gaming.
Consider that DX12 is now taking advantage of 8 cores, and Intel's i7-6700K is 4C/8T with 2MB per core, that CPU is a beast now and it will still a beast for the next 3-5 years.
If AMD launch Zen with a pricing around 70% of i7-6700K, Intel will be in big trouble, because no company can drop their prices in a couple of days, (you can observe that in the current pricing of previous-generation NVIDIA's GPUs, which some of them are slower and more expensive), it would take several months to achieve a competitive price. And last, this long term effect would force Intel to launch future CPUs at lower prices.
(BTW sorry for my english)
ET3D
Nice to see 4 cores on the roadmap. It was rumoured that only 8 will appear initially, but if there are already 4 core samples that should mean that even if they're not there at Zen they'd be available shortly thereafter.
Still, I'm not going to imagine Zen cores for now as faster than Intel ones. My guess is that they'll be a bit slower but will compensate for that with number of cores. I hope AMD proves me wrong. 🙂
That's already in Bristol Ridge, so I'm sure it will be included. Hopefully by then it will be for 8K, not just 4K.
sayem57
Loved this comment 😀 😀
-Tj-
Coffee lake, ye you read it right lol, will be 1st mainstream 6core @ y2018 though.
https://s32.postimg.org/tjhj6xold/Intel_Coffee_Lake_Roadmap.jpg
http://hothardware.com/news/intel-brews-6-core-14nm-coffee-lake-processors
I will probably upgrade to something 8core then, Zen refresh or Cannon Lake E (should be "mainstream" 8core by X chipset then), this 4.7ghz Haswell atm is still more then enough.:pc1: 🤓
jura11
Have look I'm running ES sample of E5-2683v3 which have 2.0GHz and turbo is 2.3GHz,normal non ES chip have 2.0GHz and turbo 3.0GHz
As always ES chips clocks always lot lower,due this I would wait on final ES chips,they're usually lot closer to actual chips
Hope this helps
Thanks,Jura
