AMD: ZEN3 architecture finished – expects 15% faster IPC

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#5733948
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Great ! Keep it going. The world was stuck for too long in CPU near-stagnation... it's time to see massive leaps for CPUs like we did for GPUs in the past 10-12 years.
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Please AMD, give me this in H1/2020 (won't happen, I know), and I'll gladly ditch Intel as soon as I can get my hands on this stuff. Even if there's a fan on the chipset for no reason (I don't need PCIe4)
#5733955
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If they want to take the market, then, such performance improvements will definitely raise more eyebrows.
#5733960
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5Ghz will not save intel now, Zen 3 will be faster in games at lower clocks.
#5733961
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Astyanax:

Zen 3 will be faster in games at lower clocks.
And don't forget this one is 7nm+, which is EUV, no longer multi-patterned. That means, less chance of production errors with less steps, and very likely they'll be able to squeeze 100-200 more Mhz out of both base/boost freq.
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so Zen3 still DDR4 not DDR5 right? thus they said am4 support zen3? cmiiw usually the more performance increase the more likely it will move to new platform
#5733982
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For the first time in 10 years im not even looking at the Intel cpus i dont even know the names of their 10nm chips thats how uninteresting the've become. Despite everything Intel still stays on top but thats about to change it seems.
#5733991
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the price of success is hard work and dedication....them folks at AMD are not playing around!
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slyphnier:

so Zen3 still DDR4 not DDR5 right? thus they said am4 support zen3? cmiiw usually the more performance increase the more likely it will move to new platform
Really hope it stays on AM4.
#5734001
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Great news!
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angelgraves13:

Intel’s only hope is the Cove architecture, especially Golden Cove, but who knows when that will launch. Zen 3 is gonna be my first AMD purchase.
Is Sunny-Cove even out yet? It's not in desktop AFAIK. That should give a decent lift in IPC, but Zen3 is looking like my next gaming system.
#5734008
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ZEN3 will be the Intel "end of line" Zen2 is already faster with the same clock. Zen3 will get higher clocks, better memory latency and will be more stable (talking about voltage) In 2 years the CPU marketshare will be 50-50%... now Intel just remains to cry man...
#5734015
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I don't get where they say they expect a 15% increase?
Norrod did qualify his remarks by pointing out that Zen 2 delivered a bigger IPC gain than what's normal for an evolutionary upgrade -- AMD has said it's about 15% on average -- since it implemented some ideas that AMD originally had for Zen but had to leave on the cutting board. However, he also asserted that Zen 3 will deliver performance gains "right in line with what you would expect from an entirely new architecture.
This line suggests the 15% for Zen 2 was an anomaly - that zen 3 would be what you would normally expect. I normally expect about 5% tbh.
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Well, good. But IF only software will be coded so well that it takes fully advantage of there improvements. Don't throw rocks at me yet! Let's not forget the Threadripper and Windows scheduler issues! Hardware is nothing with proper software, and you know that. Let's hope that new AI and new software compilers will be able to use all the hardware instructions.
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The original estimate was
Denial:

I don't get where they say they expect a 15% increase? This line suggests the 15% for Zen 2 was an anomaly - that zen 3 would be what you would normally expect. I normally expect about 5% tbh.
The original estimate was 8% improvement. Now throw in beefier L2 - L3 cache sizes, some "secret" architecture changes, TSMC 7+ node and 15% doesn't sound too far fetched.
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Denial:

I don't get where they say they expect a 15% increase? This line suggests the 15% for Zen 2 was an anomaly - that zen 3 would be what you would normally expect. I normally expect about 5% tbh.
Expecting 5% increase from a completely new architecture? These times are finally over I hope
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NewTRUMP Order:

The original estimate was The original estimate was 8% improvement. Now throw in beefier L2 - L3 cache sizes, some "secret" architecture changes, TSMC 7+ node and 15% doesn't sound too far fetched.
Where was the original estimate 8%? I'm just saying - the article headline is "AMD expects 15%" but then in the actual article, the guy basically says "15% for Zen 2 was basically an outlier because there was left over optimizations - expect a normal jump for Zen 3" which reads to me like less than 15%, not 15%.
HybOj:

Expecting 5% increase from a completely new architecture? These times are finally over I hope
I doubt this is going to be a radical departure from Zen 2. It's not like a Bulldozer -> Zen jump.
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anticupidon:

Well, good. But IF only software will be coded so well that it takes fully advantage of there improvements. Don't throw rocks at me yet! Let's not forget the Threadripper and Windows scheduler issues! Hardware is nothing with proper software, and you know that. Let's hope that new AI and new software compilers will be able to use all the hardware instructions.
With the adoption rate of new AMD CPUs - they will... sooner than later.
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Denial:

I don't get where they say they expect a 15% increase? This line suggests the 15% for Zen 2 was an anomaly - that zen 3 would be what you would normally expect. I normally expect about 5% tbh.
They didn't, they said Zen2 at 15% was more than typical evolutionary step (due getting things left on cutting board from original Zen plans). They didn't comment how much more performance Zen3 would bring, just that it's what one would expect from completely new architecture, what ever they think that may be.
#5734045
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Kaotik:

They didn't, they said Zen2 at 15% was more than typical evolutionary step (due getting things left on cutting board from original Zen plans). They didn't comment how much more performance Zen3 would bring, just that it's what one would expect from completely new architecture, what ever they think that may be.
Yeah I also think this "completely new architecture" thing people keep saying and AMD keeps like throwing around is kind of nonsense. It's not a completely new architecture. Zen 1 wasn't even a completely new architecture - a ton of stuff was pulled in from Bulldozer. I feel like the tech community needs to create some kind of benchmark on how much a design needs to change to be considered a "new architecture".

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