AMD unofficially confirms Radeon Flagship – R9 390X - Launches at Computex

#5024376

ricardonuno1980

2015-03-05 20:05

@-Tj-: have you read my post #13? 🙂

#5024386

-Tj-

2015-03-05 20:18

Your method (is there a method to it?) is very confusing. Why are you using GTX 780 to make a prediction for GM200? And why you need to overclock it to make a point?

Nope, maybe its confusing just for you. Im mentioned how much can Tflop matter in certain scenario, even stock factory OC is still plenty if that's what you wondered. And I didnt make any predictions there just analyzing stuff 😉, btw 6.9tflops is mentioned in main news post.

Starting point -> Extrapolation point GTX 980 -> Titan X 290 X -> 390X

Nope, its 680GTX > 980GTX. Check some nvidia slides. And Titan Black > Titan X.. 290X > 390X.

#5024392

Noisiv

2015-03-05 20:26

LOL You are going sideways and not addressing anything I said Why do you quote PR slides in architecture/GPU prediction discussion? And how is GTX 680 or 780 useful in reaching conclusion about Titan X? Especially when you have more closer match, and same arch. - GTX 980? Is this really so hard to comprehend: [spoiler] Punch in Teraflops and you'll see that Titan X over 980 is same as 390X over 290X. Meaning Titan X will keep the same advantage over 390X that 980 has over 290X. But count in some improvements on GCN and AMD should catch up [/spoiler]

#5024396

KissSh0t

2015-03-05 20:32

Will lower end cards feature HBM?

#5024401

Anarion

2015-03-05 20:37

Will lower end cards feature HBM?

According to the rumours those lower end card will be rebrands.

#5024413

KissSh0t

2015-03-05 20:46

Ughh... that's a shame... I really want to move on from my card, the built quality of this brand is just horrid. not sure what to go to next :T Wait and see I guess. I want to know what is going on with Mantle.. Is it dropped or not. That is pretty much going to affect my purchase decision.

#5024416

warezme

2015-03-05 20:49

Price is important If AMD is serious about getting back it's share as they state, then pricing will have to significantly undercut Nvidia. Give users a serious bang for buck advantage and even I would consider switching from Nvidia products to AMD. I have generally stayed with Nvidia because in my experience their drivers are much better and support my 3 monitor vision surround setup with generally no problems. AMD can't hope to gain market if they price themselves into the Titan range.

#5024419

-Tj-

2015-03-05 20:54

LOL You are going sideways and not addressing anything I said Why do you quote PR slides in architecture/GPU prediction discussion? And how is GTX 680 or 780 useful in reaching conclusion about Titan X? Especially when you have more closer match, and same arch. - GTX 980? Is this really so hard to comprehend: [spoiler] Punch in Teraflops and you'll see that Titan X over 980 is same as 390X over 290X. Meaning Titan X will keep the same advantage over 390X that 980 has over 290X. But count in some improvements on GCN and AMD should catch up [/spoiler]

Nope that's what you did just now and before.. Maybe you're too slow to understand. GM204 to GM200 is not comparable even if its same gen, its GK110 to GM200.

#5024426

Noisiv

2015-03-05 21:20

Nope that's what you did just now and before.. Maybe you're too slow to understand. GM204 to GM200 is not comparable even if its same gen, its GK110 to GM200.

WTF is that supposed to mean - not comparable? We are comparing them aren't we? And obviously GM204/200 are closer(duh!) and easier to compare to each other than GK110/GM200 But by all means, do GK110/GM200 comparison. It can be done that way too. Instead of irrelevant flying statements like this:

And 8.1 tflops stock 390x is a lot imho. GM200 might catch that with extra OC.

#5024427

bemaniac

2015-03-05 21:23

I'm not upgrading again until I can't even run high settings.

#5024439

-Tj-

2015-03-05 21:42

WTF is that supposed to mean - not comparable? We are comparing them aren't we? And obviously GM204/200 are closer(duh!) and easier to compare to each other than GK110/GM200

GM204 is a GK104 successor, GM200 is GK110 and its the only real comparison when it comes to Tflops vs Tflops upgrades. AMD has only 1 gpu per generation so it is 290x to 390x here..

But by all means, do GK110/GM200 comparison. It can be done that way too. Instead of irrelevant flying statements like this:

Yes your trolling like usual, my statement was spot on, that GM200 6.9Tflops with moderate OC could reach 8.1tflops too. Im done talking to you.

#5024444

Denial

2015-03-05 21:50

GM204 is a GK104 successor, GM200 is GK110 and its the only real comparison when it comes to Tflops vs Tflops upgrades. AMD has only 1 gpu per generation so it is 290x to 390x here.. Yes your trolling like usual, my statement was spot on, that GM200 6.9Tflops with moderate OC could reach 8.1tflops too. Im done talking to you.

I mean yeah maybe the GM200 will have less TFLOPS but I don't think that's his point. His point is that even with less TFLOPS the GM200 will outperform the 390x in games. I'm not sure I agree with that but you guys are arguing two different things.

#5024461

ricardonuno1980

2015-03-05 22:12

@Denial and @Noisiv are stupids and donkey... lool @-Tj- worked very well about succession of GPU's! 🙂

#5024462

Noisiv

2015-03-05 22:13

This was my point: __________________________________ GTX 980 = 4.6 Tflops Titan X = (4.6 + 1/2*4.6) = 6.9 Tflops 290X = 5.6 Tflops 390X = 8.1 Tflops __________________________________ Titan X / GTX 980 = 1.5 390X / 290X = 1.44 1.5 ~ 1.44 __________________________________ Meaning that Titan X gives similar improvement over GTX 980 (1.5), like 390X gives over 290X (1.44). So Titan X will keep the same advantage over 390X that 980 has over 290X. But then we have to include GCN improvements, and 390X should catch up with Titan X. And this is the main unknown - GCN improvements per ALU. There should be some, but we shouldn't expect Maxwell-like revolution. HBM is enough of revolution and where AMD likely spent most of the work

#5024474

CybrSage

2015-03-05 22:27

So don't expect those 390X numbers to be anything amazing because they aren't.

Can you post the actual numbers you got when you benchmarked it? You know, the ones you used to definitively say the numbers are not anything amazing. Thanks! 🙂

#5024479

KissSh0t

2015-03-05 22:34

Also.. are we sure about the Titan X specs? like.. are they really actually the specs shown.. *awkwardly laughs and sweats a little*

#5024488

Sergio

2015-03-05 22:44

"Our mission is done with consoles, now its time to milk pc community with Nvidia together"...

#5024493

Perjantai

2015-03-05 22:53

On white paper R9 390x destroys titan X except on mem+gpu speed. Ofc titan will use less power but 390x will be more for less money. And games with nvidia tech shall never be good on anything but green cards.. (not always with them eather Watch_dogs and AC unity anyone?)

#5024524

snorge

2015-03-06 00:01

On white paper R9 390x destroys titan X except on mem+gpu speed. Ofc titan will use less power but 390x will be more for less money. And games with nvidia tech shall never be good on anything but green cards.. (not always with them eather Watch_dogs and AC unity anyone?)

More for less money but what will your electric bill be? It probably isn't the case for a lot of people here but on a pc hardware podcast I listen to the hosts were talking about why AMD's market share has taken such a big fall over the past year. They seemed to think its because the majority of people are not only looking at performance and "bang for buck" numbers anymore but that they are actually more impressed by performance with lower power consumption.

#5024533

-Tj-

2015-03-06 00:36

I mean yeah maybe the GM200 will have less TFLOPS but I don't think that's his point. His point is that even with less TFLOPS the GM200 will outperform the 390x in games. I'm not sure I agree with that but you guys are arguing two different things.

Yes I was aware of that, also seen in it practice, but that wasn't my point.. My point was only towards GM200 being 6.9Tflops and with OC it could be possible to match 390X Tflops number - 8.1Tflops. Then he started calling bs on my comment and how I said what I didn't say at all, typical bate from him.. 😀 Anyway back on 390X topic 🤓