AMD Socket AM4 Photo surfaced

#5336314

BLEH!

2016-09-19 09:50

Be interesting to see what it's capable of.

#5336320

Kaarme

2016-09-19 10:03

CPU makers should try to incorporate optics into the CPUs so that they could cut down the insane amount of tiny electric connectors.

#5336380

David3k

2016-09-19 12:41

CPU makers should try to incorporate optics into the CPUs so that they could cut down the insane amount of tiny electric connectors.

...which would require motherboards to more hardware to convert the signal back, greatly increasing costs. Not to mention the costs involved in producing such hardware within the CPU itself, driving up costs for that as well. No, it has to be cost effective enough in the enterprise space for it to become a possibility for the consumer space later on.

#5336413

icedman

2016-09-19 14:17

Still waiting patiently for reviews

#5336427

schmidtbag

2016-09-19 15:19

Kinda makes me wonder - why are CPUs usually square shaped? Wouldn't it be easier for motherboard designers if they were wide rectangles? Seems to me reaching those pins at the center must be pretty challenging at times. There used to be CPU slots back in the day. Heatsinks wouldn't be an issue either as long as it had proper structural support.

#5336428

Extraordinary

2016-09-19 15:23

Kinda makes me wonder - why are CPUs usually square shaped? Wouldn't it be easier for motherboard designers if they were wide rectangles? Seems to me reaching those pins at the center must be pretty challenging at times.

I don't think it's done by hand 🙂

#5336430

schmidtbag

2016-09-19 15:31

I don't think it's done by hand 🙂

I understand that.... but when you have 900+ pins in a square area and a PCB that is only a few mm thick, that seems like a real nuisance to revolve a design around, particularly when it comes to the "northwestern" center pins, because those are so removed from everything else on the motherboard. If the CPU were elongated, I imagine it'd be much simpler to design (and maybe manufacture) motherboards.

#5336436

RooiKreef

2016-09-19 15:40

I can't wait for a review. I was going to upgrade to the 8 core, but I just couldn't wait any longer. I ended up getting a i7 6700K. But once the reviews is out I know I'm going to regret my choice.

#5336453

schmidtbag

2016-09-19 16:16

It's because if it were longer the distance between the different components would be greater, for a CPU that has the same amount of space used that is.

That's assuming the board layout remained identical. But there's no reason things couldn't be shifted around or rotated a bit. Obviously the expansion slots can't really move much but everything else can. RAM, for example, could be rotated 90 degrees and be slotted above the CPU rather than to the right of it. Without discrete northbridges and IGPs anymore, that saves a lot of room and RAM doesn't need to be so picky about it's orientation anymore.

#5336455

fellix

2016-09-19 16:17

CPU makers should try to incorporate optics into the CPUs so that they could cut down the insane amount of tiny electric connectors.

The "crisis" with the ballooning pin-out is the power/grounding wiring requirements. The more electrical current is consumed, the more pins/pads are needed. More than half of a typical CPU socket pin-out is dedicated to get power and some redundancy functions. The rest is for the actual I/O (periphery, memory, debugging). So, the solution to the problem would be a new dedicated compact interface for power delivery.

#5336524

JJayzX

2016-09-19 18:36

The "crisis" with the ballooning pin-out is the power/grounding wiring requirements. The more electrical current is consumed, the more pins/pads are needed. More than half of a typical CPU socket pin-out is dedicated to get power and some redundancy functions. The rest is for the actual I/O (periphery, memory, debugging). So, the solution to the problem would be a new dedicated compact interface for power delivery.

Power delivery would need to be put on die or package and then have 2 big fat pins or pads. CPUs would then be costlier to make, hotter to run and reduced life. Nevermind the price hike beforehand to fund R&D to make it. We would need new transistor tech and material before we can change the current power delivery.

#5336566

Picolete

2016-09-19 20:19

Kinda makes me wonder - why are CPUs usually square shaped? Wouldn't it be easier for motherboard designers if they were wide rectangles? Seems to me reaching those pins at the center must be pretty challenging at times. There used to be CPU slots back in the day. Heatsinks wouldn't be an issue either as long as it had proper structural support.

I think is because you can get more squares than rectangles(mm2) from a silicon wafer

#5336570

schmidtbag

2016-09-19 20:30

I think is because you can get more squares than rectangles(mm2) from a silicon wafer

The outcome of the wafer likely wouldn't have much of an impact on this, since the heart of the processor is attached to a separate PCB, which contains all of the pins. Besides, if you look at the die of many de-lidded Intel processors, you'll find they're distinctly rectangular.

#5336578

tsunami231

2016-09-19 20:47

Hmmm Amd still has pins on the cpu? and not motherboard?? sad face i prefer pin on cpu over in motherboard but not enough to use Amd

#5336622

Aura89

2016-09-19 22:56

Hmmm Amd still has pins on the cpu? and not motherboard?? sad face i prefer pin on cpu over in motherboard but not enough to use Amd

...what is this comment? You make it sound like it's sad AMD still does this But...then you say you prefer it But...then you say it's not enough to make you use AMD So....What? Are you "sad" that you, yourself, don't want to use AMD then? ...What?

#5336624

Order_66

2016-09-19 23:11

But can I install and run windows 7 on this?

#5336636

tsunami231

2016-09-19 23:57

...what is this comment? You make it sound like it's sad AMD still does this But...then you say you prefer it But...then you say it's not enough to make you use AMD So....What? Are you "sad" that you, yourself, don't want to use AMD then? ...What?

I am sad intel dont use pin on cpu still... I dont like pins on motherboard cause if they do get bent there alot harder to fix in motherboard then on cpu. I wouldnt use AMD just cause of this EVEN if you like AMD which i dont It was more I am shocked AMD still does this I though they all switched to mobo having pin.