AMD Ryzen CPU Photos Surface

sverek

2017-02-21 00:11

Straight long pins of AMD cpus kinda scares me. Stupid question, but why they don't design more flat design like Intel CPU?

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Backstabak

2017-02-21 00:22

The pins are expensive and the only reason that intel makes pins on boards is to transfer this expense to the board makers. So I don't see a reason why pins on CPU are somehow a bad thing.

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lexer98

2017-02-21 00:23

Straight long pins of AMD cpus kinda scares me. Stupid question, but why they don't design more flat design like Intel CPU?

Patents ?

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Enticles

2017-02-21 00:23

Straight long pins of AMD cpus kinda scares me. Stupid question, but why they don't design more flat design like Intel CPU?

I find myself asking the same question. After a quick bit of googling it would appear that LGA allows for higher densities of contacts between the motherboard and the CPU. I wouldn't be surprised if cost is also a factor, considering AMD are needing to reap in as much profit as humanely possible with Ryzen.

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Undying

2017-02-21 00:26

All the pieces are coming together. Lets hope this will be a successful launch for AMD and Ryzen.

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PrMinisterGR

2017-02-21 00:31

I, for one, welcome our new legged overlords.

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Elder III

2017-02-21 00:47

I'll take one of those trays please. :banana:

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chispy

2017-02-21 02:46

I got almost all my parts for my new Ryzen built , just need the motherboard and cpu. My H2O loop is ready for it 🙂

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PrMinisterGR

2017-02-21 02:48

Pins on CPU? ouch, no thanks.

Why not? I'd rather straighten these up than the motherboard ones. LGA sockets have a 15 time insertion limit, PGA sockets don't. The only one gaining from that is Intel, the only ones losing are the motherboard manufacturers.

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chispy

2017-02-21 02:59

Pins on CPU? ouch, no thanks.

So you just register today , you only have 3 posts and all the posts are bashing AMD really hard , :spam2: , spam a little more with the non sense and i will enjoy the banhammer :knock: coming down on you 🙂

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Aura89

2017-02-21 03:05

Pins on CPU? ouch, no thanks.

^ Intel employee here.

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chispy

2017-02-21 03:11

^ Intel employee here.

Yeah , watch all this new accounts with this behavior , trolling it's not tolerated at Guru3D , i foresee some bans incoming 🙂

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pimp_gimp

2017-02-21 03:40

Pins on CPU? ouch, no thanks.

What is wrong with pins on the CPU? With LGA you're much more at risk of purchasing a damaged motherboard than you are with a PGA socket. I've heard and had friends tell me many stories where they've had a brand new motherboard be useless due to bent pins on the socket.

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chispy

2017-02-21 03:42

What is wrong with pins on the CPU? With LGA you're much more at risk of purchasing a damaged motherboard than you are with a PGA socket. I've heard and had friends tell me many stories where they've had a brand new motherboard be useless due to bent pins on the socket.

He is just trolling 🙂 with a new account , flame bait , spamming the forum.

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Loophole35

2017-02-21 03:47

Pins on CPU? ouch, no thanks.

Intel fanboy confirmed!

Why not? I'd rather straighten these up than the motherboard ones. LGA sockets have a 15 time insertion limit, PGA sockets don't. The only one gaining from that is Intel, the only ones losing are the motherboard manufacturers.

What is wrong with pins on the CPU? With LGA you're much more at risk of purchasing a damaged motherboard than you are with a PGA socket. I've heard and had friends tell me many stories where they've had a brand new motherboard be useless due to bent pins on the socket.

My only issue with PGA is that you can (I have twice with my 940BE (may it rest in peace)) pull the CPU out of the socket without "releasing" it from the socket when removing the heatsink. BTW fixing a bent pin on a LGA is not that scary (as long as you didn't install the CPU and clamp it wit a bent pin) always check an LGA socket.

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sean_skroht

2017-02-21 04:03

Pins on CPU? ouch, no thanks.

Ugghh! Logic flies completely out the window with comments like these. I've been using Intel CPU's since 2006 and for 8 years prior to that I had been using AMD CPU's. In my experience I would rather have the more sturdier pins found on AMD CPU's than the weak spring based pins found in Intel CPU sockets. I dont know how many times I have seen those pins get damaged and the pain involved in straightening them. Bring on AMD! I will have no problems switching camps again if AMD can really deliver on the hype surrounding these new CPU's.

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dwiewolverine

2017-02-21 04:39

Pins on CPU? ouch, no thanks.

fans boy:gta::vader: i have AMD system and still keep CPU+Mobo:rock:

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guppysb

2017-02-21 04:57

For all the people complaining about pins on a cpu, have we forgotten about the Socket 478 and Pentium 4? Those had pins. Also, I've had people ruin their entire CPU/MOBO because they slightly bent a pin on an intel mobo. Pins = hard to mess up.

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HeavyHemi

2017-02-21 05:01

Why not? I'd rather straighten these up than the motherboard ones. LGA sockets have a 15 time insertion limit, PGA sockets don't. The only one gaining from that is Intel, the only ones losing are the motherboard manufacturers.

They have a 15 insertion minimum by the spec not maximum. AMD does as well(http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/48639_Socket_FM2_Design_Spec.pdf) In practice it is higher. I've been around here awhile and socket failures due to wear out are exceedingly rare. Maybe as likely as breaking a pin off. Each has their own plus and minus. But socket longevity (electromechanically) isn't high on the list. At that point the number of people replacing different versions of processors and socket wear being an issue is minuscule. This is kinda of another version of AMD versus intel and the disparity in the number of different sockets. I don't get this as a cost argument against motherboard manufacturers. Basically nobody is affected.

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PrMinisterGR

2017-02-21 05:38

They have a 15 insertion minimum by the spec not maximum. AMD does as well(http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/48639_Socket_FM2_Design_Spec.pdf) In practice it is higher. I've been around here awhile and socket failures due to wear out are exceedingly rare. Maybe as likely as breaking a pin off. Each has their own plus and minus. But socket longevity (electromechanically) isn't high on the list. At that point the number of people replacing different versions of processors and socket wear being an issue is minuscule. This is kinda of another version of AMD versus intel and the disparity in the number of different sockets. I don't get this as a cost argument against motherboard manufacturers. Basically nobody is affected.

True. But the LGA socket is more fragile by definition, as it operates with pressure from the pin seat to the CPU touch points. And it's basically pointless unless you want to save the assembly cost money and you can afford to have your motherboard partners to build them that way since they have zero alternatives.