AMD Ryzen 3 and Ryzen 5 Raven Ridge Packaging Spotted

#5513317

sverek

2018-01-23 09:38

2400G gonna be really nice for HD gaming within reasonable settings.

#5513321

jose2016

2018-01-23 09:49

I am looking forward to the first reviews to see its performance and if it is good to mount one with an itx board.

#5513333

FrostNixon

2018-01-23 10:40

This might be really good for a HTPC.

#5513358

glutto

2018-01-23 12:45

This might be the only way that I can reasonably upgrade the video on my system.... Yeesh...

#5513369

Amx85

2018-01-23 13:16

Beautiful even on price :V

#5513370

Amx85

2018-01-23 13:19

sverek:

2400G gonna be really nice for HD gaming within reasonable settings.

Looks like console level 1st (XBOX One) has 768 SP at lower clocks and lower IPC

#5513373

zettajhony

2018-01-23 13:32

Graphic Vega 11 shaders 704 clock 1,250 MHz equal with ...?

#5513395

Fox2232

2018-01-23 14:46

zettajhony:

Graphic Vega 11 shaders 704 clock 1,250 MHz equal with ...?

Somewhere around RX-550 or HD-7790. But, I saw those benchmarks from AMD where they shown performance change with faster memory. If you want to get most of this chip, memory price is going to play big role.

#5513397

schmidtbag

2018-01-23 14:52

Fox2232:

Somewhere around RX-550 or HD-7790. But, I saw those benchmarks from AMD where they shown performance change with faster memory. If you want to get most of this chip, memory price is going to play big role.

Considering you can buy an RX 550 for as much as $140 or if you're lucky, $100, honestly, I'd rather just get the APU and pricey RAM. The extra $20-$60 is very well worth having a 4c/8t CPU. Even budget RAM isn't cheap, so it doesn't really matter what you get because it'll leave a bitter taste no matter what.

#5513401

Fox2232

2018-01-23 15:08

schmidtbag:

Considering you can buy an RX 550 for as much as $140 or if you're lucky, $100, honestly, I'd rather just get the APU and pricey RAM. The extra $20-$60 is very well worth having a 4c/8t CPU. Even budget RAM isn't cheap, so it doesn't really matter what you get because it'll leave a bitter taste no matter what.

Not saying that it is bad in any way. Just that one can have idea of buying cheap ram to cheap system. And here RAM speed is very important. Once next 8C/16T Ryzens are out and in my main system, I will consider 2400G/2700U/2X00H APU systems for mobile gaming. Light USB powered screens made quite some progress, so even mITX system can be put into notebook case/bag.

#5513405

schmidtbag

2018-01-23 15:20

Fox2232:

Not saying that it is bad in any way. Just that one can have idea of buying cheap ram to cheap system. And here RAM speed is very important.

No I know - I'm agreeing with you. I'm just clarifying that you're going to pay a lot for RAM no matter what, and even low-end discrete GPUs are getting expensive, so getting this APU seems like a no-brainer in comparison.

Once next 8C/16T Ryzens are out and in my main system, I will consider 2400G/2700U/2X00H APU systems for mobile gaming. Light USB powered screens made quite some progress, so even mITX system can be put into notebook case/bag.

I've considered doing a similar approach. I personally would rather take a bare LCD panel from a junked laptop (which I have plenty of), get an LVDS controller board (they cost around $30 on ebay and aren't difficult to wire up directly to the PSU), and mount all of it to a small and rigid briefcase. Then use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. A 250W Pico PSU ought to keep the internals tidy, too. If there's room, maybe I could fit a 12v lead acid battery inside, which the Pico PSU would accept as a direct power source. But, I'm not sure when/if I'm going to make this, simply because I don't [yet] have a need for a modest gaming rig on-the-go. Fun stuff to think about, though.

#5513414

Fox2232

2018-01-23 15:40

schmidtbag:

No I know - I'm agreeing with you. I'm just clarifying that you're going to pay a lot for RAM no matter what, and even low-end discrete GPUs are getting expensive, so getting this APU seems like a no-brainer in comparison. I've considered doing a similar approach. I personally would rather take a bare LCD panel from a junked laptop (which I have plenty of), get an LVDS controller board (they cost around $30 on ebay and aren't difficult to wire up directly to the PSU), and mount all of it to a small and rigid briefcase. Then use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. A 250W Pico PSU ought to keep the internals tidy, too. If there's room, maybe I could fit a 12v lead acid battery inside, which the Pico PSU would accept as a direct power source. But, I'm not sure when/if I'm going to make this, simply because I don't [yet] have a need for a modest gaming rig on-the-go. Fun stuff to think about, though.

I keep one notebook screen for purpose of making it into full screen if needs arises too. It is 17" 1600x900. I was originally inclined to take it fully apart and use it as transparent side panel of next PC case showing some stuff. But then, I was never into looking at PC case 😀 So, that screen is going to be waiting for quite a while. If it had touch, I would already have it running for android emulator / android_x86.

#5513425

schmidtbag

2018-01-23 15:57

Fox2232:

I keep one notebook screen for purpose of making it into full screen if needs arises too. It is 17" 1600x900. I was originally inclined to take it fully apart and use it as transparent side panel of next PC case showing some stuff. But then, I was never into looking at PC case 😀 So, that screen is going to be waiting for quite a while. If it had touch, I would already have it running for android emulator / android_x86.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but you can buy touchscreen layers for existing non-touch LCDs. After all, no LCD panel is made with touch built-in. Due to the dimensions of your display, you're pretty much just limited to resistive touch panels: https://www.ebay.com/itm/17-3inch-Resistive-Touch-Screen-Panel-397x232mm-4Wire-USB-kit-for-17-3-monitor/172851503336?hash=item283ec0a0e8:g:qjAAAOSwL4BZrlNo So, it's not cheap, but it is an option. I've considered doing the same idea of making transparent "slides", for a few reasons. Maybe some of them could inspire you: 1. To use with an overhead projector. Makes for a great ghetto home theater, I just currently don't have a place to put it (I do have the projector, though). 2. I have a mineral oil aquarium PC. I'd like to do a transparent LCD on one of the side walls to make it look like there are fish inside, while also telling me stuff like temperatures and system load. But, I don't have an LCD that's the right size and I don't care enough to buy one. So, that idea is also on hold. 3. There's also the idea of taking a mirror or a window in your home and make it "smart", where it'll tell you the weather or maybe emails, news feeds, text messages, and so on. But, I'm not "plugged-in" enough to really care about making this.

#5513437

Fox2232

2018-01-23 16:22

@schmidtbag : Good ideas, but I think mirror will not work very well as there is still need for backlight. Maybe, if it is see through mirror and then backlight can be put behind it as it leaks light. Or it will need sufficient ambient light to go through back and forth. (Not sure about ghost effect.) But all those ideas will become very soon very common thanks to micro-LED technology.

#5513443

schmidtbag

2018-01-23 16:32

Fox2232:

@schmidtbag : Good ideas, but I think mirror will not work very well as there is still need for backlight. Maybe, if it is see through mirror and then backlight can be put behind it as it leaks light. Or it will need sufficient ambient light to go through back and forth. (Not sure about ghost effect.)

Depends on how you set it up. You primarily just want to use high-contrast emblems and text; it can't really be used for desktop use, images, or video. So for the most part you want the entire background to be white (making the LCD transparent) and then use solid colors or black for everything you want to read. Visibility isn't much of a problem when it is set up like that. I think it may be worth clarifying that the LCD would be in front of the mirror, not behind it, something kind of like this (both sides of the glass are LCD): http://www.dailydooh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/mirror5.jpg When the display is placed behind the mirror then yes, you absolutely need a backlight.

#5513466

vbetts

Moderator

2018-01-23 17:15

Fox2232:

Somewhere around RX-550 or HD-7790. But, I saw those benchmarks from AMD where they shown performance change with faster memory. If you want to get most of this chip, memory price is going to play big role.

Makes sense. APU's really get their boosts from gpu clock and memory clock.

#5513485

nz3777

2018-01-23 17:40

Oh boy this baby is going to be a hot seller in my opinion! I want the 4/8 Thread Apu. How much Faster would you guys say the (Vega) graphics are compared to lets say the old Apu's Amd use to make or vs Intel i-gpu?> Thank you.

#5513496

Fox2232

2018-01-23 18:12

nz3777:

Oh boy this baby is going to be a hot seller in my opinion! I want the 4/8 Thread Apu. How much Faster would you guys say the (Vega) graphics are compared to lets say the old Apu's Amd use to make or vs Intel i-gpu?> Thank you.

Compared to A12-9800 with 512SP at 1,1GHz. Ryzen 5 2400G have 704 SP at 1,25GHz => +56% out of the box. Then there is memory controller effect where AMD promises additional 14% boost by moving from 2400MHz to 3200MHz RAM. And then there is OC. AMD Slide shows 1675MHz OC paired with 3600MHz RAM and giving 39% boost over 1250MHz iGPU +2400MHz. Their realistic iGPU 1550MHz OC + 3200MHz RAM should give ~24% boost over stock. Therefore Ryzen 5 2400G paired with 3200MHz RAM and iGPU OCed to 1,55GHz should give approximately 1,56 * 1,24 = 1,9344 => 93% better performance than A12-9800 paired with 2400MHz RAM. This is excluding any potential gain from Vega optimizations.

#5513863

nz3777

2018-01-24 18:33

Fox, That's what I call an educated answer props to you sir you know your stuff! Was expecting something like its a little faster. Looking at the prices this is going to be yet another very good year for AMD, I am very happy they finally bounced back.