Even if it is close to Skylake is that really such a win for AMD since you'll need to buy a new AM4 Mobo as well. I don't see them gaining many punters but i do expect anyone who still uses AMD cpus to upgrade eventually. £200 for an 8core Zen and £120 for a decent AM4 Mobo. At least finally they will get PCIe 3.0 and USB3.1 and any i missed. BUT will it be 200 for a 4c 8t or will you get 8c 16t for 200 squid, that's the question i'd like answered.

Even if it is close to Skylake is that really such a win for AMD since you'll need to buy a new AM4 Mobo as well. I don't see them gaining many punters but i do expect anyone who still uses AMD cpus to upgrade eventually. £200 for an 8core Zen and £120 for a decent AM4 Mobo. At least finally they will get PCIe 3.0 and USB3.1 and any i missed. BUT will it be 200 for a 4c 8t or will you get 8c 16t for 200 squid, that's the question i'd like answered.

+40% IPC is nowhere near enough to beat skylake.

The whole reason for the move to AM4 is to get off of AM3. It is a dying platform, they can only do so much with it.

Ok found one review with cinebench15 single threaded Amd fx 3850: 98, best case scenario 196cb.. For example I get 194cb at 4.7Ghz http://s33.postimg.org/3ukptdm1r/txsrt.png http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-skylake-core-i5-6600k-review So even if its ~ 186 it would be fast, Oc and ~200cb for sure 🤓

It might be a win in terms of what enthusiasts see, but people really underestimate how financially screwed AMD is. They don't need a win, they need a big win.

Sure. So if you look at our balance sheet today, on the cash side we've guided to $950 million of cash for the second quarter. We've said our optimal zone for cash is between $600 million and $1 billion. And the cash we need to actually run the business is below $600 million and we have a good cushion there. And dollars, north of $1 billion we've said assuming we believe the market environment is stable, we would afford that to reducing debt. We have $2 billion of debt that is something that we do look to address over time. Our long-term goal is to be in a net debt cash neutral position. I think we'll need to see the momentum as we transition into the back half of the year and execute too many of the pillars that we outlined here this morning for you.

apples to oranges. 6700k is 4c/8t, Zen is 8c/16t

It might be a win in terms of what enthusiasts see, but people really underestimate how financially screwed AMD is. They don't need a win, they need a big win.

AMD has published a graph which seems to indicate that the upcoming Summit Ridge-processor for desktops is twice as fast as the AMD FX-8350 processor. Specific numbers are missing, but the slide certa... AMD hints that ZEN-cpu is twice as fast as the FX-8350

People really overestimate it too. This is from their investor conference they held. They have money just fine, their "losses" are really loan payments (that they do faster) and reinvestment. Read between the lines there, they have more than +300m per quarter really. People who usually report about them in tech sites are completely clueless in finance. http://seekingalpha.com/article/3977446-advanced-micro-devices-amd-44th-annual-jpmorgan-global-technology-media-telecom-conference

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Read the lines. AMD is basically done. They're already preparing you for it on the investor relations section of THEIR website. Maybe its there so people who don't understand finance can get it.

you mean 6700k is 4c/8t, Zen is 8c/8t don't you I haven''t read anything that suggests 16 threads on an 8 core CPU

Its impossible to calculate things this way, Instruction by cycle is something, how they are executed and what is thoses instruction is another. even the FX8350 was faster in some specific case than their Intel counterpart at this time, and largely slower in other ( whatever it was single or multi-threaded ). WHat have been a big hit to the FX ancient generation was it was slower in game, i can tell you it dont need a 40% ipc boost for beeing back competitive in this domain. rest of consumer usage is FB, Twitter, internet.