AMD hints that ZEN-cpu is twice as fast as the FX-8350
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Spartan
+40% IPC is nowhere near enough to beat skylake.
Undying
No but it will have 8 cores with Haswell IPC, thats sounds nice if pricing is right.
vbetts
Moderator
That's not what they're aiming for, it's a fresh start on a new platform for AMD. This hasn't happened for years now since being stuck on AM3 forever.
sykozis
AMD doesn't have to beat Skylake in lightly threaded tasks. They just have to be within a reasonable margin, at the right pricing with the right feature set. Zen should compete just fine in heavily threaded applications though.
Sukovsky
If AMD gives me enough reason to get Zen, I will.
Ryu5uzaku
+40% from excavator is close enough to skylake. With new platform and hopefully competitive prices AMD will be back in the game. Even if it falls 10% short it is enough. Bulldozer and the like were left in dust in certain situation while those processors did shine in others. Gaming must have been the biggest loss for AMD.
Their current lineup that is old as hell already competes mighty fine in heavily threaded tasks
kegastaMmer
so the new socket is finally getting released , i promised i wouldnt weep ;S
hope it delivers its promise
PrMinisterGR
8 actual cores with +40% IPC over their latest CPU cores (which are not what the 8350 has), are Skylake territory. Add the ACTUAL extra 4 cores in, and there is no way that a 4-core Skylake can be faster in multithreaded scenarios.
Denial
Is Zen going to be able to support Optane?
Spartan
Well, if it is +60% IPC over fx8350 then yeah.
labidas
apples to oranges. 6700k is 4c/8t, Zen is 8c/16t
MasterBash
I don't care if Zen doesn't beat skylake.
If it is "close" with competitive pricing, I think that is a win for AMD.
Tons of people out there don't need the absolutely best CPU, they want a very good cpu at a good price.
Denial
It might be a win in terms of what enthusiasts see, but people really underestimate how financially screwed AMD is. They don't need a win, they need a big win.
CalculuS
Didn't AMD also released a statement about not wanting to be the budget option? And zen being more than just a budget chip?
Denial
Edit: Err I guess his post got deleted, now I just look crazy.
-Tj-
If that's also by single core performance then it could be, what's current Fx8350 single core cinebench15 scenario? so around 2x, and we can get aprox. final score..
Edit: looked around and found this passmark
Passmark
AMD FX-8370 Eight-Core (Orochi)
1,515
so around 2.7 if its not 100% scaling and that makes it faster then
Intel Core i7-4790K @ 4.00GHz
2,529
Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.00GHz
2,329
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
vbetts
Moderator
True, but price point is where this is going to determine how successful Zen is. If an 8 core Zen costs the same or less than a 6700k, one would assume the Zen would be a hit.
If this is true, then yes it would be over Skylake even. But AMD has said that about Bulldozer over K10 as well.
-Tj-
Ok found one review with cinebench15 single threaded
Amd fx 3850: 98, best case scenario 196cb.. For example I get 194cb at 4.7Ghz
http://s33.postimg.org/3ukptdm1r/txsrt.png
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-skylake-core-i5-6600k-review
So even if its ~ 186 it would be fast, Oc and ~200cb for sure 🤓
Ryu5uzaku
best case scenario would be then 196 @ 4.2. It would be great actually. Doubt it will happen but would be great.
Spartan
I think it's more like ~160 with +60% IPC; and double in multi threading compared to fx8350, if it's 8c/16t.
