AMD confirms next-generation Zen 5 CPU microarchitecture, Zen 4 just 8–10% faster IPC
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Bsac
If this is all they got they are going to be in trouble. Apple and Intel are already ahead performance wise in single thread with their recent architectures and are going to pull even further ahead with their next architecture updates due to be released more or less around the same time as Zen 5. I sure hope AMD can make these processors affordable and accessible so so they can compete on that front.
Denial
You mean Zen 4? Raptorlake is releasing later this year. The 8-10% + 15% clockspeed is for Zen 4, we don't know what Zen 5 will bring - if they are indeed refreshing the entire uarch it might be significant. Remember AMD/Papermaster did say they wanted to start from scratch far more often -- even Jim Keller in an interview when was with Intel said there should be a blank slate every 5 years or so.
That being said I agree with you generally.. Zen 4 looks like it will bring performance parity/slight lead over alderlake but raptorlake is launching at the same time as Z4.
cucaulay malkin
except amd are the only ones that can put over 8 performance cores on a cpu and not have it raise the ocean level
it's 15 altogether
half is ipc half is clocks
Denial
Ah, less impressive then.
cucaulay malkin
i think their focus is on platform, that will be the most impressive part
also,how nice is it that 15% is now considered a little disappointing.
imo whoever is set on buying ddr5 shouldn't even think about intel atm.
get am5 and enjoy 5-6 years of upgrading the cpu without a new board
if you're staying on ddr4 though, intel is just way ahead in value with b660 + ddr 4 + 12600k
btw its15 for st only,mt is going to be 40
waltc3
I don't quite get the "just" comment...as that is only IPC--it's not single-thread performance, all-core performance, mutli-core performance, clock speed increases, etc. All of that combined comes out somewhere around 40%, not "just" 8-10%....;)
Fender178
Not too surprised on the small increases from 5000 series chips to AM5 chips. One question that I have is AMD still looking into doing the Pcore and Ecore format like Intel started with 12th gen because I heard rumors about it but nothing more came of it may it is for a future AMx platform.?
Kaarme
Intel did that, but their CPUs still eat more power than AMD's. Thus one might wonder if Intel only used the smaller cores because they haven't yet mastered the "glued together" technique. AMD doesn't suffer from such problems, so it's possible they see no reason to do it.
Fender178
Oh ok. Thanks for the info.
fredgml7
Zen 4 gains are good enough to me, especially coming from the impressive Zen 3. I just hope it is enough to compete against Intel’s 13th gen.
Bsac
Yes sorry I meant Zen4. I'm sure we can all agree that this competition is great for the industry now that Intel has been awakened by Apple and AMD the fun really begins as they try push each other to drive innovation and performance to new heights. 🙂
Bsac
The multi-thread performance of 40% is impressive if true. However, single thread is what the majority of people feel when using their PC as well as battery life if it's a laptop. I love this competition between AMD/Intel/Apple. We all benefit from this as end users. I do think that performance will be relative to what the system is being used for by the end user. Which goes back to your point about the 40% multi thread but also gives credence to the SOC designs which incorporate more specialize hardware to offload certain tasks such as encode/decode, rendering, audio, etc.... My guess is we may be moving towards similar designs to console or smartphone SOC similar to XBOX, PS5 or M1/M2.
kanenas
zen2 has 13% ipc more than zen + in CB 1t but in games 19%, also we do not have information about L3 the IF the latency the bandwidth ...
Ryu5uzaku
Well IPC wise at 3.5ghz zen 3 and alder lake are really similar. Intel pulls ahead in games and with clocks really. Well according to guru3d testing
So 8-10% should actually make AMD faster clock for clock and most likely way lower wattage also. Even now low power pcs alder lake isn't magic vs zen 3 or 3+ especially at 45w.
Zen 4 will be good if these numbers hold and especially if they get clocks to same as Intel and game performance same or better as to 3d cache 5800x
suty455
In single thread they are quoting ABOVE 15% IPC increase the symbol > is above or greater than, then we have the speed uplift on top plus the advantage of DDR5, lets take a step back and just think what would a 5950 do at 5.5 ghz and then add 15% that should give a rough idea of where everything will shake out, am also thinking this will all be under the power envelope that Intel will be adopting to get anywhere near the same performance.
Am waiting but I feel my next build will be all AMD, dont forget they have not even talked about 3d Cache yet or the incoming 12 core chiplet
Dazz
I guess we will see, AMD speaks IPC intel sometimes when talking IPC also includes clock speed increases so i wouldn't right off AMD yet.
cucaulay malkin
of course it will compete with raptor lake. tbh I'd bet money that 7900x will beat 13900k in productivity, just by couple percent
but they'll find it hard to do another 3900x vs 9900k or 5900x vs 10900k since adl and rpl have e-cores.
rpl will actually have a crapton of those.
performance cores will probably be a little faster on intel, and they'll compensate for lower p-core count with more e-cores.
it's an unusual solution, but if it works in the end......
this whole "not compete" thing I see is just silly.
when 5900x launched it beat the crap out of 10900k in productivity.
then intel released 10900f at a little more than half price of 5900x
you still got 85% of it's performance at 55-60% price in productivity, and +95% in gaming
in the end everything is down to sku pricing.
intel got its ass handed to them achitecturally, yet still beat them in value with skus like 10400f, 10700f and 11900f
Venix
+1000 by me.
cucaulay malkin
I find it funny when it's either intel or amd circle jerk in upcoming cpu news
the most important thing is still value, sometimes it's the best choice to buy a platform late, when it's already known,stable and cheapest, instead of bickering about a few percent more or less on platforms that are new and are gonna cost an arm and a leg with pci-e 5.0 and ddr5.
I think I bought most of my cpu+mobo+ram quite late in their cycle.
including my current comet lake and b-die memories. I paid really good money and I'm not really in need for anything until 2/3rd generation of am5 cpus.
and I think buying a 5700/5900x now is very smilar to me getting a 10700F a year ago. It's the best option and will carry you until am5 cpu choice is be better and cheaper, ddr5 choice is better and cheaper, and 5.0 drives are more than just a new connector with old technology controller and nand.
frankly if 5800x3d was 300eur I'd buy it with a b550 board and I'd call it a great overall upgrade for my comet lake 10700f
Venix
About the 5700x depends on your local market here for example the pricing is so close to 5800x it is funny . Well people in this forum talking about the best gaming CPUs and this is so much faster in gaming in low settings 1080p with a 3090 and make it look like a 5800x3d and 12900x are the only CPUs that can game decently 😛 , I get the enthusiasts part ... But still it makes me cringe when the attitude is like that 😛
