Some good tech here, looking forward to it.

Wasn't Carrizo-L planned for Dec2014/Jan2015?

Looks like this could be a nice upgrade from Richland.

I know it means nothing but that pick looks just like the apu in the consoles. Even if they just used the same graphics in the consoles combined with ddr4 and the current quad cores they have that would be amazing.

meh... never going back. never:infinity:

Especially with the gains from the 3770k to 4670k, 4690k, and the massive up to 3 percent boost expected by Broadwell and Skylake. The post Excavator tech based on VISC will have nothing on that 😉

since the massive hype when the new rebranded named AMD FX (bulldozer etc) cpu's were released it was such a disappointment for me (I had an Phenom II 1090T at the time and was waiting for amd's new tech) I don't tend to bother about the news anymore I just wait for online reviews to pop up and take it from there. although I im more impressed with the APU range than there cpu's as an APU is not expected to run like an high end CPU

I really want to know what Carrizo is...there was a blurb about it a few months ago as a game-changer, which later proved to be fake--or rather, was *said* to have been fake before it was pulled...;) Interesting. Vishera's an excellent core...my six-core has been chugging along brilliantly for a couple of years now @ ~4.5GHz. Running my games at the resolutions I use I'm maybe ~10% back of an Intel cpu but I'd have to pay *double* what I've paid to get to parity...no thanks, I'll pass...;) Generally, the APUs haven't provided enough in the way of either GPU or CPU power to get me interested...so I'm wondering what Carrizo will bring to the table that might shake things up somewhat. I'd like to see AMD get more aggressive here...

show me specs and performance or amd can shut up., and where are there "performance" desktop cpu. Intel might be the leader in performance but they also been slacking do to no competition APU Suck and the current Console issues prove this. For mobile solutions there great any thing else they are not again points at the current console issues.

I really want to know what Carrizo is...there was a blurb about it a few months ago as a game-changer, which later proved to be fake--or rather, was *said* to have been fake before it was pulled...;) Interesting. Vishera's an excellent core...my six-core has been chugging along brilliantly for a couple of years now @ ~4.5GHz. Running my games at the resolutions I use I'm maybe ~10% back of an Intel cpu but I'd have to pay *double* what I've paid to get to parity...no thanks, I'll pass...;) Generally, the APUs haven't provided enough in the way of either GPU or CPU power to get me interested...so I'm wondering what Carrizo will bring to the table that might shake things up somewhat. I'd like to see AMD get more aggressive here...

That is due to kaveri being locked by means of low TDP and not by multiplier. Overclocking this will simply not work well. Even if you have a10-7850k which does not bsod @4.5GHz, it will not stay there under load due to low TDP. But clocking them to 4GHz and comparing them to Vishera 4GHz would show quite good IPC considering initial design of APU modules. (quite good = equal or bit better than Vishera) And if you look at your FX-6300 and top single threaded performance versus top 6threaded performance, you notice that it works like 4 core CPU. My i5-2500k which stays even under load on all 4 cores @4.5GHz acts like 3.05 core CPU in total. While a10-7850k which is not very stable under full load can pull 3.14. http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1293554?baseline=1325638 (While a10-7850k is not stable at high clocks it still have better parallelism) In other words if carrizo can get that TDP limit under control or have fully unlocked mode, it may prove to have better single threaded performance than FX-6300 at lower clock and even better total performance while having only 4 cores. Then there is that other skeleton... IPC. Kaveri needed 30% higher IPC to be equal with Sandy. Since Sandy intel only moved like 15% up. We may actually see quite competitive Carrizo if they make 95W version and not only 65/40W babies, as AMD promised up to those 30% better IPC.

well amd put a 20 CU APU in the ps4 which was basically a full 7870 with lower clock tho they disabled 2 of the CU. So what I would really like to see is an APU that heavily focuses on it's gpu and gives most of it's die space to the gpu. So for the CPU side just a dual core based on the FX chips excavator cpu's not the low power crappy jaguar cores like the ps4. Then since the cpu side is just using a dual core maybe implement a full r9 285 with 28 CU's from tonga of course lower clock than the r9 285. If they can make an 8 core jaguar + 20 CU chip in the ps4 than there is no technical reason they couldn't do a dual core 28 CU chip for the PC market. Even if the die had to be a little bit bigger just raise the price accordingly. 28nm is so freakin mature by now the defect rate has to be absurdly low so even an apu with a crap ton of transistors and a large die size is doable. If AMD would make this chip like this and charge a premium for it all the people wanting very small form factor pc's and powerful gaming steam boxes and gaming htpc's would flock to this chip. The main reason I think AMD does not do this in the PC market isn't the technical difficulty or the large die size, it's the worry that it will eat into their mid range GPU sales which is where they do the bulk of their GPU sales. They end up cannibalizing sales of their mid range gpu's so instead of them making money on a cpu and gpu sale now they are only making money on 1 apu sale. That's why a bad ass apu with a full r9 285 doesn't show up. But that is just my humble opinion. If AMD would do something bold like this it would really earn them a lot of much needed respect. Maybe even go really crazy and go quad core excavator + full 32 CU r9 285x with lower clocks on the gpu side. Be 1 really big ass large die chip but still just price it accordingly and with 28nm's mature low defect process they could really turn some heads I would probably even buy 1 then and I am firmly in intels camp. When APU's make the move to DDR4 it will benefit them a lot too and make them more viable as the much increased memory bandwidth from the move will really help them out or even better to the HBM memory. Also give the chips some room to breathe. They have no problem putting huge 140tdp's on thier FX chips. Give the APU's a greater range and make them with 140-160, 100-140, 70-100 and so on instead of just these low 45 watt and 65 watt. We need a nice fat TDP with a nice fat GPU on a nice fat die size.

show me specs and performance or amd can shut up., and where are there "performance" desktop cpu. Intel might be the leader in performance but they also been slacking do to no competition APU Suck and the current Console issues prove this. For mobile solutions there great any thing else they are not again points at the current console issues.

You're completely missing the point here, APU's fill a niche in the PC/Laptop market that noone else has filled except Intel(Altough pretty bad). Its a great chance to earn extra money as AMD. Their APU's are of course pretty slow thats the whole point, cheap/performance.

You're completely missing the point here, APU's fill a niche in the PC/Laptop market that noone else has filled except Intel(Altough pretty bad). Its a great chance to earn extra money as AMD. Their APU's are of course pretty slow thats the whole point, cheap/performance.

You miss the part where i said out side of mobile they suck? or just selectively reading? The APU from Processing power stand point are still beyond intels offerings from 4+ years ago. Again out side moble they suck and those apu in the ps4/xbone are the reason there power is lacking which is another can worms

You miss the part where i said out side of mobile they suck? or just selectively reading? The APU from Processing power stand point are still beyond intels offerings from 4+ years ago. Again out side moble they suck and those apu in the ps4/xbone are the reason there power is lacking which is another can worms

I already stated that APUs are behind current intel's offering in IPC while doing another progress and it fits like pieces of puzzle. But considering how much you hate that low performance of APU, maybe you should consider upgrade (since you have 1st generation of i7 which I had, and that was just pure sadness). http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/959558?baseline=1313294 Single threaded IPC is quite similar, multi threaded performance shows how 4 cores do against 4+4HT. And emerging feature set APU brings is nothing to laugh at.

just laptop parts or desktop as well? i was gonna upgrade, but might reconsider if desktop is shipping as well

my understanding was both desktop and laptop. if u got the apu route crossfire it with the equivalent gpu would be a nice upgrade for u. also try to add the highest mhz ram u can afford into it

if these turn up good performance wise between i3 and i5 I will buy one to make a htpc server out of it.

So .... Kaveri was not fully HSA compliant .... ??? Nice .... 🙁

I had the 5800k APU as my main rig before, pretty decent APU. Now it's in my HTPC and is doing great! Love it, and hopefully these will be even better.

I had the 5800k APU as my main rig before, pretty decent APU. Now it's in my HTPC and is doing great! Love it, and hopefully these will be even better.

APU's are like perfect fit for HTPC anyway. Anybody expecting more than mid-range performance will be let down.