Small boost to iGPU 🙂 Nice review as always. Would recommend this to a budget htpc build.

Unfortunatelly the big problem of Amd Cpu is Single Core performance. An old Q9650 3.0 Ghz (2008) with OC,say at FX 8320 3.5GHz (2012) at turbo speed 4.0GHz, will smash all AMd cpu in Single Core Perf. So in browsing,office,multimedia enviroment an old 2008 cpu will smash "new" cpus from Amd.Not many apps are optimized for 4-6-8 cores. Sad but true. So this A10-7870K (TDP 95W) will be again smashed by an i3 4330 3.5GHz (TDP 54W) in Single Core performance. For low profile and low TDP an i3 its a must. I dont find A10-7870K passmark single core,but A10-7850K its almost the same: Passmark (Single Core) i3 4330 2,031 A10 7850K 1,578 FX 8320 1,402 i3 4360 2,150 i5 4570 2,068 i5 3570K 2,012 FX 6300 - 1,446 Cinebench R10 32-Bit (Single Core) i3 4360 7,369 A10 7870K 4,051 i3 4330 6,784 A10 7850K 4,273 i5 4690K 7,619 i5 3570K 6,557 FX 6300 4,101 Im shocked how i3 Haswells are so good in Single Core performance.

Well we could do the same in the BIOS... add XXXMHz, tweak the GPU and there you go. Funny to see it gets close to the 2500K in some benchmarks.

I get that example with Q9650 sk 775 at same speed to FX 8320 to see how an old architecture perform against some new architecture from Amd. Well cant wait to see how Amd Zen will perform. 🙂

Hilbert don't you test how much you can oc it?

Hilbert don't you test how much you can oc it?

I honestly can't think of a reason why. These CPU's are all exactly the same so any difference you see might as well be silicon quality A.K.A. the "silicon lottery" 😉

Hilbert don't you test how much you can oc it?

A10-7850K has that 95W TDP limit which prevented it from efficient OC as it simply throttled not once certain temperature been reached, but as it ate certain amount of power. In other words, increasing voltage in belief that it improves OC clock and adds stability resulted in increased power consumption and lower performance. I would be interested in seeing if AMD tweaked this in A10-7870k, but I do not expect that to happen as entire system in measurement topped at 120W. - Would be interesting to do bench at default clock, add 100MHz, bench, add 100MHz bench, ... - Then lower voltage a bit and bench at default clock, keep lower voltage, add 100MHz bench, ... - And finally doing previous for bit higher voltage Then create performance map for purpose of objectively seeing if & how TDP limits this APU. If anything Carrizo is impressive part at 12/15/25/35W configurations due to HSA 1.0. A10-7850k is just for little play, I would not find long term purpose for it, tho one can fit it in very small box with like 180~220W PSU for maximum efficency. 95W w/ OC vs 35W. 95W w/o OC vs 35W. Best of A10-7850k (4.7GHz) vs best of A10-7870k (4.5GHz).

Very good review.

Hilbert don't you test how much you can oc it?

APU's overclocking is limited, so best bet for these is to get high speed low timing ram, and boost the gpu and memory clocks up.

what amd has here is an amazing product they just desperately need a die shrink and minor cpu bump to compete.

and a lot of money to push hsa/huma/opencl implementation to apps devs (zzz dreaming zzz)