Intel must have been feeling pretty miserable to have been kicked out of the HEDT space entirely for a few years. Before Threadripper, there was nothing but Intel in the HEDT market. In fact, Intel was the one who defined the whole thing. Let's hope it can bring something competitive onto the table. After all, the HEDT belonging solely to AMD is no different than it belonging to Intel only, even though AMD redefined what you can expect from it performance and price wise. That was, of course, more or less necessary since AMD stretched the mainstream to the area that during Intel's reign belonged to the enthusiast HEDT.

I just hope they keep the P/E core structure intact. At first I was against it but then i realized its actually genius for how some programs like after effects work. While you tinker inside it uses only the P cores, the moment you start rendering it starts utilizing both the P and E. So basically instead of having a lot of slow cores or a low amount of high end cores(like all cpus before P/E era), you get the best of both worlds.

When you think about X299 released in 2017 so thats five years. Its about time they do something about it and not let AMD has all the fun.

Undying:

When you think about X299 released in 2017 so thats five years. Its about time they do something about it and not let AMD has all the fun.

Only if the price point is reasonable, and, if they don't use E-cores as a way to keep up with Threadripper's core count. Unlike a lot of people here, I'm in favor of E-cores, but they don't belong in HEDT.

What even is HEDT?

TheDeeGee:

What even is HEDT?

high end computer, computer for rich

maur0:

high end computer, computer for rich

But everyone has to be rich these days to buy anything computer related...

maur0:

high end computer, computer for rich

Nonsense. The HEDT platform was always meant for people who make money using their computers. Way back when it was for intensive graphics work and image manipulation, editing, etc. These days it's become more accessible and often used by the so-called content creators. Sure, you can always bag yourself a Threadripper if you do have more money than sense and you are so inclined, but for the most part, these CPUs are busy helping their owners make a living.

there is a window for Intel to do some monkeying around. under AMD, hedt became more Pro than AM. because of Intel's ridiculous pricing structure for Xeon you had a crap-ton of consumer grade models at server prices and it was good if you just needed ECC on the cheap. but the Intel HEDT platform was superior at price, plus moar cores - it was the only way out of the four core graveyard. TR was a gamechanger in that it appealed not just to the HEDT market but a lot of the buyers of the Xeon as well. but that went to AMD's head a little bit and we can forgive them. but it does leave a hole between the 5950x and the 3960x that gives Intel an opening. idk how well it will work in the market as zen 4 TR is right around the corner.

Not to forget the extra RAM channel they gave you back then. I liked those HEDT machines and I think there still is a market for them.

FlyBy:

Not to forget the extra RAM channel they gave you back then. I liked those HEDT machines and I think there still is a market for them.

Yes, there is definitely a market for them. On Intel's side of things, normal desktop and laptop CPUs make sense to have E cores, and the Xeons are way too expensive for a high-end workstation. If Intel can release a many-P-core system where the CPU doesn't cost $10k, they would have a decent market. For AMD, the path is a little more obvious, because the 3 tiers basically just multiply the maximum core count, memory channels, and PCIe lanes. There wouldn't be much overlap, and wherever there is an overlap, you could just pick whichever platform better suits your needs. For example, maybe you only need 16 cores but you want multiple GPUs. AM4 doesn't give you enough PCIe lanes but perhaps Epyc is a bit overkill and too expensive, so you go with Threadripper. Maybe you want 16 cores but care more about CPU latency and clock speed rather than PCIe lanes, where AM4 makes the most sense. Intel's current major issue is affordable many-core options. If they can get that sorted, they'll be back in HEDT (and servers, for that matter).

back in the days, before AMD changed the market HEDT meant - lower clocks but more cores - more pcie lanes - the only way to run SLI at full bandwith - computer targeted toward work use or yes people with money 5950x and X570 destroyed a good chunk of the market of the old intel HEDT because more people bought them for hobby than work and that cpu chipset combo is the perfect middle ground despite being on Intel currently because modded gaming is much more demanding than your usual AAA games I can't wait to go back to AMD and have useable lanes..I hope AMD will learn from Intel mistakes, Z690 is just like Z390 a 1 gpu and nothing else gaming plateform I got scammed again by intel >< understand one thing that isn't explained anywhere, pcie slots are not split by bandwith but by multiplier, when a PCIE5.0 motherboard says either you have x16 on your PCIE1 or x8 on PCIE1 and PCIE2 it doesn't mean you get two times x8 pcie 5.0 no no no what you get is a fixed X8 period if your gpu is 4.0 you get x8 4.0 -> 4x5.0 or 8x4.0 bandwith is lost into the void because 8x5.0=16x4.0 bandiwith not 8x if your card is 3.0 you get x8 3.0 -> 6x5.0 or 12x4.0 or 24x3.0 bandwith is lost into the void because 8x5.0=16x4.0=32x3.0 bandwith not 8x I'm sure some super geek hardcore overclockers knew that but I didn't even after decades of PC building it's not something I ever had much trouble with (because X570 is awesome probably) pcie 5.0 and intel screwed me hard Z690 is basically a 1 pcie slot chipset and the 5.0 M.2 is unusable because it costs you way too much bandwith that is again completely lost I HATE IT AMD way to handle cpu lanes with pcie 4.0 spread everywhere is the way to go also...DDR5 can only handle two sticks, because every stick is already dual channel and only some server boards manage octo channel memory why does no influencer ever talk about this 😡 😡 😡 cpu utilities even tell you by saying quad channel memory when you have two sticks plugged, it's not even hidden 😡 😡 😡 yep I'm not happy at all with this please AMD don't be Intel don't hide ddr5 limitations and spread your bandwith better than that

IceVip:

I just hope they keep the P/E core structure intact. At first I was against it but then i realized its actually genius for how some programs like after effects work. While you tinker inside it uses only the P cores, the moment you start rendering it starts utilizing both the P and E. So basically instead of having a lot of slow cores or a low amount of high end cores(like all cpus before P/E era), you get the best of both worlds.

efficiency cores have no purpose on HEDT.

kakiharaFRS:

back in the days, before AMD changed the market HEDT meant

you're mistaking workstation cpus with hedt, hedt were the high end i7's and Xeons numbered *900 or suffixed X and K, clocks only dropped substantially at the top end of Xeons but remained high (with reduced core counts) on the Core i variant.

kakiharaFRS:

also...DDR5 can only handle two sticks

This remains false every time you write it, intel states in their architecture notes the limitations for 4dimm operations quite clearly. https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16959/DRAMADL.png

Astyanax:

This remains false every time you write it, intel states in their architecture notes the limitations for 4dimm operations quite clearly.

2 slots per channel at 3600-4400MT/s speeds is super bad. Might as well get a DDR4 board and install cheap 3600-3800 sticks instead. Some DDR5 mem stick do not list anything below 2000MHz in the JEDEC specs listed in CPU-Z, so they may not be able to run slow enough for the pc to boot, unless the bios ignores the recommended setting.

TLD LARS:

Might as well get a DDR4 board and install cheap 3600-3800 sticks instead.

this is still inferior to DDR5's architectural improvements.

Astyanax:

efficiency cores have no purpose on HEDT.

Nothing does until it does. Better keep an open mind.

IceVip:

Nothing does until it does. Better keep an open mind.

Efficiency has no business on HEDT.

Astyanax:

Efficiency has no business on HEDT.

Well there’s no need to explain why I see the benefit to someone well educated as you. You do you ill do me.