6GHz Core i9-13900KS outperforms the Core i9-13900K by 10%.

moab600

2022-12-09 09:44

It will be a halo show off product to say "hey we are the first to maintain 6GHZ for couple of seconds...". This little bugger, going to throttle his life out of him.

#6081108

Neo Cyrus

2022-12-09 10:01

moab600:

It will be a halo show off product to say "hey we are the first to maintain 6GHZ for couple of seconds...". This little bugger, going to throttle his life out of him.

Well... you could always cool it using the vacuum of space then use custom BIOS settings to maintain 6GHz. If you're buying a cherry picked halo CPU, you might as well have it installed in space while you're at it. Anything that'll put any pressure on AMD and vice versa is good, even if it's a goofy showoff item like this.

#6081112

moab600

2022-12-09 10:14

Neo Cyrus:

Well... you could always cool it using the vacuum of space then use custom BIOS settings to maintain 6GHz. If you're buying a cherry picked halo CPU, you might as well have it installed in space while you're at it. Anything that'll put any pressure on AMD and vice versa is good, even if it's a goofy showoff item like this.

Let's see AMD rolling their sleeves out and bring the X3D variants already...

#6081114

Valken

2022-12-09 10:16

Until 7950X3D comes out?!

#6081116

moab600

2022-12-09 10:17

Valken:

Until 7950X3D comes out?!

I'll probably skip this gen all together, but yeah. 7950X3D could be the top of the hill easily, it's actually there now along with the 13900K.

#6081127

Kaarme

2022-12-09 10:40

Neo Cyrus:

Well... you could always cool it using the vacuum of space then use custom BIOS settings to maintain 6GHz. If you're buying a cherry picked halo CPU, you might as well have it installed in space while you're at it. Anything that'll put any pressure on AMD and vice versa is good, even if it's a goofy showoff item like this.

I know you didn't mean it literally, but I feel like I still need to point out that the vacuum of space isn't great at cooling things. There's nothing in vacuum that absorbs heat energy, after all. If you consider typical coolers for PCs, they rely on an airflow to take the excess heat away from the components, either directly or via a liquid medium, but the liquid will also be cooled by the airflow through a radiator. In the vacuum of space, there's no such flow, and thus thermal conduction leads nowhere, which is a big deal. The only way to loose heat in the vacuum is by infrared radiation. Consequently it's no coincidence the best thermos flasks are vacuum insulated. Liquid nitrogen is loved by extreme overclockers because it's in a great lack of heat energy, as the nitrogen wants to turn back into gas, which is a more comfortable form for it, requiring a lot of heat energy from the surroundings to do it. A CPU or a GPU is glad to donate that thermal energy.

#6081134

Typhon Six Six Six

2022-12-09 11:18

I had fun playing with my 13700kf. 5.5ghz all core stable on a cheap z690 MSI LOL!! 33k in CB, but it's real great at gaming. If you can de-lid I'm sure I could get the KS to 6ghz all core stable. Judging by the improvements made already with 13th gen. I also noticed compared to 11th/12th gen, disabling the E-cores nets no performance. Also, memory latency is lower than 12th gen.

#6081163

FranciscoCL

2022-12-09 12:47

Impressive, very nice... Let's see that power consumption.

#6081166

cpy2

2022-12-09 13:00

FranciscoCL:

Impressive, very nice... Let's see that power consumption.

Look for PSU with this sticker: https://10poundtees.co.uk/image/cache//data/designs/flux_capacitor_1_21_gigawatts/1-fluxcapacitor-hgray-swatch-400x400.jpg

#6081225

TLD LARS

2022-12-09 16:18

Typhon Six Six Six:

I had fun playing with my 13700kf. 5.5ghz all core stable on a cheap z690 MSI LOL!! 33k in CB, but it's real great at gaming. If you can de-lid I'm sure I could get the KS to 6ghz all core stable. Judging by the improvements made already with 13th gen. I also noticed compared to 11th/12th gen, disabling the E-cores nets no performance. Also, memory latency is lower than 12th gen.

5.5ghz allcore is around 13900k speeds, so even a cheap Z690 should as minimum be able to run a stock 13900k and the 13700k with half e-cores should use less power. A 13900KS at 6ghz allcore is a large jump in power, guessing something like 400W, Nizzen can probably confirm that number, because he has a good 13900k already so it is probably same quality as a KS.

#6081268

chispy

2022-12-09 17:55

Halo product , good cpu that will need custom water cooling to tame the heat , same thing will happen when those amd 7950x3D / 7900x3D and 7800x3D are release , they all will run extremely hot , be it AMD x3D cpu's or this 13900KS at 6Ghz = High end custom water cooling only , no AIO is going to keep this incoming cpu's cool enough without heavily throtling , and forget about air cooling 😛 no need to apply.

#6081271

bobnewels

2022-12-09 18:03

13900KS will be the hottest CPU maybe ever, for the hard core overclockers and I agree with @chispy 100%,if you are a fool and just like big numbers for PC gaming then you will be able to play PC games just fine on a AIO but forget anything else using those clocks for serious work without some Mora action

#6081394

Typhon Six Six Six

2022-12-10 00:56

TLD LARS:

5.5ghz allcore is around 13900k speeds, so even a cheap Z690 should as minimum be able to run a stock 13900k and the 13700k with half e-cores should use less power. A 13900KS at 6ghz allcore is a large jump in power, guessing something like 400W, Nizzen can probably confirm that number, because he has a good 13900k already so it is probably same quality as a KS.

I'm sure the right chip can do it. I can actually hit 5.6 but I'm not de-lidded and this time I won't be going that route because all core temps are even. I was going to get a better z790 and i9 but decided to stick with lower end save like $400.

#6081437

Reddoguk

2022-12-10 05:19

Kaarme:

I know you didn't mean it literally, but I feel like I still need to point out that the vacuum of space isn't great at cooling things. There's nothing in vacuum that absorbs heat energy, after all. If you consider typical coolers for PCs, they rely on an airflow to take the excess heat away from the components, either directly or via a liquid medium, but the liquid will also be cooled by the airflow through a radiator. In the vacuum of space, there's no such flow, and thus thermal conduction leads nowhere, which is a big deal. The only way to loose heat in the vacuum is by infrared radiation. Consequently it's no coincidence the best thermos flasks are vacuum insulated. Liquid nitrogen is loved by extreme overclockers because it's in a great lack of heat energy, as the nitrogen wants to turn back into gas, which is a more comfortable form for it, requiring a lot of heat energy from the surroundings to do it. A CPU or a GPU is glad to donate that thermal energy.

Or maybe we can just use a Bose–Einstein condensate to cool cpus in the near future instead. ^^

#6081482

barbacot

2022-12-10 09:59

Reddoguk:

Or maybe we can just use a Bose–Einstein condensate to cool cpus in the near future instead. ^^

Nope...that is just Hollywood talk - you couldn't cool a rice pea with the condensate in lab conditions - their ability to cool (drain heat from other materials) is very low in reality but hey, we could dream about it. I think that something must be done with these CPU architectures nowadays - either on cooling front or the architecture itself. Too much heat from these beasts now and not many solutions to control it. In the past a custom loop or even AIO was an exotic thing used only for bragging or some serious overclocking but today it's become normal or even recommended with some top end CPU's. So, in the wise words from GTA VC: "somebody do something"

#6081542

FlyBy

2022-12-10 13:52

Neo Cyrus:

Well... you could always cool it using the vacuum of space then use custom BIOS settings to maintain 6GHz. If you're buying a cherry picked halo CPU, you might as well have it installed in space while you're at it. Anything that'll put any pressure on AMD and vice versa is good, even if it's a goofy showoff item like this.

That would be the worst cooling that you have never made. Space is maybe the worst place to cool things down.

#6081543

Venix

2022-12-10 13:54

barbacot:

Nope...that is just Hollywood talk - you couldn't cool a rice pea with the condensate in lab conditions - their ability to cool (drain heat from other materials) is very low in reality but hey, we could dream about it. I think that something must be done with these CPU architectures nowadays - either on cooling front or the architecture itself. Too much heat from these beasts now and not many solutions to control it. In the past a custom loop or even AIO was an exotic thing used only for bragging or some serious overclocking but today it's become normal or even recommended with some top end CPU's. So, in the wise words from GTA VC: "somebody do something"

I could not agree more , the cooling required to run stock things without throttling on the top parts is almost at 2010 enthusiast solution level ... That's why I also said in the past undervolting is getting so much more traction .

#6081552

H83

2022-12-10 14:52

barbacot:

Nope...that is just Hollywood talk - you couldn't cool a rice pea with the condensate in lab conditions - their ability to cool (drain heat from other materials) is very low in reality but hey, we could dream about it. I think that something must be done with these CPU architectures nowadays - either on cooling front or the architecture itself. Too much heat from these beasts now and not many solutions to control it. In the past a custom loop or even AIO was an exotic thing used only for bragging or some serious overclocking but today it's become normal or even recommended with some top end CPU's. So, in the wise words from GTA VC: "somebody do something"

The solution is simple, lower the clocks. Multi core CPUs don`t need to run at extreme speeds just to be faster in benchmarks... The same for GPUs.

#6081758

barbacot

2022-12-11 09:42

H83:

The solution is simple, lower the clocks. Multi core CPUs don`t need to run at extreme speeds just to be faster in benchmarks... The same for GPUs.

This is not a fix - this is a compromise.

#6081853

bemaniac

2022-12-11 17:01

I feel like there is literally nothing anyone can do for any budget to beat a £450 7800X3D for gaming. It's going to destroy everything else out there.